In-reply-to » Well, that might work... https://codeberg.org/awful-systems/AAA-NO-SLOP.md 🤣

@itsericwoodward@itsericwoodward.com Yes, but is how we want to be behaving. We don’t like something so we go out of our way to be malicious and poison things? I get it though, the hypocrisy is very real here, with burning trees, eating up water supplies, and the massive amounts of energy going into this, but still, this is petulant behaviour and I don’t think it services any useful purpose other than rage and anger.

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In-reply-to » Well, that might work... https://codeberg.org/awful-systems/AAA-NO-SLOP.md 🤣

Yeah, I don’t subscribe to that point of view either. But we are a diverse bunch, there is bread for everyone.

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In-reply-to » @prologic Hm, yeah, probably. I don’t think that’s how many FLOSS projects are/were run, though, so they’ll have to find new ways to build those relationships. 😅 I mean, isn’t it usually a new person sending patches to a project, over and over, and at some point they’ve shown enough skill so they’re “promoted” to a full maintainer position? 🤔

@movq@www.uninformativ.de That’s my experience, too.

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In-reply-to » @lyse Two emails. 😅 One person asking for the source code, and the author of wcwidth (the library I’m using) contacted me to provide some input. 👌

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Great to be asked for feedback! I just noticed that the first wcwidth version was derived from Markus Kuhn’s C code. I came across him in my ISO 8601 and RFC 3339 endeavors the other day. https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html What a surprise. :-)

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In-reply-to » @lyse Switching to Make might be a good idea, though, because the whole thing is purely sequential at the moment … It takes close to 20 seconds (including the w3c verification which runs the Java checker). It’s not unusable, but it could be better. 😅

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I see the Make rewrite popping up on the horizon. :-)

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In-reply-to » @prologic As have I. 🤔 I mean, since I left GitHub, I got basically 0 pull requests anyway.

@prologic@twtxt.net Hm, yeah, probably. I don’t think that’s how many FLOSS projects are/were run, though, so they’ll have to find new ways to build those relationships. 😅 I mean, isn’t it usually a new person sending patches to a project, over and over, and at some point they’ve shown enough skill so they’re “promoted” to a full maintainer position? 🤔

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In-reply-to » (This settled at about 25k hits on the HTML page now. But only about 11k hits in total on favicon.ico and only around 7.5k hits on the image thumbnails. So I guess that, in reality, it might have gotten around 7k hits. The rest … is probably bots.)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Two emails. 😅 One person asking for the source code, and the author of wcwidth (the library I’m using) contacted me to provide some input. 👌

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In-reply-to » @lyse Ah, I almost thought so (that you wrote it by hand), but then I looked at the source code and saw the TOC and I was like: “Naah, probably not. I would be way too lazy to do that manually.” 😅 And indeed … ha.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Switching to Make might be a good idea, though, because the whole thing is purely sequential at the moment … It takes close to 20 seconds (including the w3c verification which runs the Java checker). It’s not unusable, but it could be better. 😅

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In-reply-to » @prologic As have I. 🤔 I mean, since I left GitHub, I got basically 0 pull requests anyway.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Honestly I think you build the team before you need the PRs 🤔 Start with relationships — people who’ve been using your software, filing good bug reports, asking smart questions. Those are your future maintainers. The PR comes later as a formality, not a tryout 😅

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In-reply-to » @movq Related reading (if you're interested): Let's Talk about LLMs by James Bennett

(#xbh2sbq) @itsericwoodward@itsericwoodward.com That DORA quote is 🤯 — and it perfectly explains why AI coding tools terrify me in certain contexts. Dropping Copilot into a codebase full of technical debt isn’t gonna fix the debt, it’s just gonna write more of it faster 🤣 Fred Brooks would be nodding his head right now 🙏

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In-reply-to » @prologic As have I. 🤔 I mean, since I left GitHub, I got basically 0 pull requests anyway.

(#vixabsa) @movq@www.uninformativ.de Honestly I think you build the team before you need the PRs 🤔 Start with relationships — people who’ve been using your software, filing good bug reports, asking smart questions. Those are your future maintainers. The PR comes later as a formality, not a tryout 😅

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In-reply-to » Okay. I have lost the “battle” against “AI” at work and I will no longer try to “fight” any of it.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Related reading (if you’re interested): Let’s Talk about LLMs by James Bennett

First, it quotes the DORA report on the “State of AI-assisted Software Development”:

The research reveals a critical truth: AI’s primary role in software development is that of an amplifier. It magnifies the strengths of high-performing organizations and the dysfunctions of struggling ones.

At the end, it quotes the late Fred Books:

The first step toward the management of disease was replacement of demon theories and humours theories by the germ theory. That very step, the beginning of hope, in itself dashed all hopes of magical solutions. It told workers that progress would be made stepwise, at great effort, and that a persistent, unremitting care would have to be paid to a discipline of cleanliness. So it is with software engineering today.

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In-reply-to » Okay. I have lost the “battle” against “AI” at work and I will no longer try to “fight” any of it.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Wow, I’m sorry to hear about that. Permanent emergency mode sucks, I’ve been there, and it always felt like drowning.

Fortunately, at my current job, we’ve been given time to keep our technical debt from overtaking the project. Unfortunately, we’ve been forced to use AI (mostly in the form of GitHub Copilot). Of course, now that the tokens cost more than a developer’s salary, they’ve been rethinking that position somewhat. 😁

In my experience, you are 100% correct - even in the best case, AI is a force multiplier. If the code is clean, it can speed you up. But if the code is a mess, it’ll just multiply the mess.

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In-reply-to » (This settled at about 25k hits on the HTML page now. But only about 11k hits in total on favicon.ico and only around 7.5k hits on the image thumbnails. So I guess that, in reality, it might have gotten around 7k hits. The rest … is probably bots.)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Not bad. How many e-mails or other forms of feedback did you get?

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