The tiny avatars, as expected (because they showed normal to you too @prologic@twtxt.net), do not show under macOS’s Safari, but they do show on iOS’s Safari. It truly is a puzzle.

@prologic@twtxt.net this was for IRC, but pong! 🏓

it should be
# 2025-04-13T11:02:12+02:00 !<dm-echo https://dm-echo.andros.dev/twtxt.txt> U2FsdGVkX1+QmwBNmk9Yu9jvazVRFPS2TGJRGle/BDDzFult6zCtxNhJrV0g+sx0EIKbjL2a9QpCT5C0Z2qWvw==

my main itch with the DMs extensions is that these messages are intended to be private, not public information. That’s why other extensions make sense, but DMs are another kind of feature.
TwiXter, Mastodon, FB and some other services usually hide the DMs in another section, so they are not mixed with the public timeline.

I find the DM topic interesting, I even made an indie experiment for a centralized messaging system here https://github.com/eapl-gemugami/owl.
Although, as I’ve said a few times here, I’m not particularly interested in supporting it on microblogging, as I don’t use it that much. In the rare case I’ve used them, I don’t have to manage public and private keys, and finally none of my acquaintances use encrypted email.
Nothing personal against anyone, and although I like to debate and even fight, it’s not the case here. This proposal is the only one allowing DMs on twtxt, and if the community wants it, I’ll support it, with my personal input, of course.

A good approach I could find with a good compromise between compatibility with current clients and keeping these messages private is ‘hiding’ the DMs in comments. For example:
# 2025-04-13T11:02:12+02:00 !<dm-echo https://dm-echo.andros.dev/twtxt.txt> U2FsdGVkX1+QmwBNmk9Yu9jvazVRFPS2TGJRGle/BDDzFult6zCtxNhJrV0g+sx0EIKbjL2a9QpCT5C0Z2qWvw==

It’s ready 🥳! https://dm-echo.andros.dev/
An example: https://dm-echo.andros.dev/generate/?url=https://twtxt.andros.dev/
#twtxt

@prologic@twtxt.net earliest I have of you:

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My welcome message, and first recorded mention (that I could find):

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@andros@twtxt.andros.dev how often do you send a private message on the Fediverse? How often do you send PGP/SMIME encrypted emails? Are there other tools that are more suitable for the task? If implementing direct/private messages on twtxt scratches an itch (you know, that hobbyist itch we all get from time to time), then don’t give up so easily. Worse comes to worse, and your feed becomes too noisy, people can simply unfollow/mute.

I really don’t care about direct messages here, but I might be on that bottom 1%!

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Congratulations!!! Happy birtwt! 🥳

@prologic@twtxt.net @bender@twtxt.net @eapl.me@eapl.me I think opening another file is a bad idea because it adds complexity to the clients, breaks the single feed and I think keeping legacy clients will be more complex to add new features in the future. A modern approach is important.
I’ll be honest, I’m a bit tired of the fight around the direct message. Perhaps, we can remove it as an extension and use the alternative @prologic@twtxt.net . My suggestion apparently doesn’t like to the community. I have no problem with remove it.

@prologic@twtxt.net I don’t understand. I checked the feed, the twtxt file, and there are no duplicate links. I will follow the next articles 👁️👁️‍. Thank you!

I don’t think I’d personally be worried about migrating, just re-fetch. Sounds cleaner anyway?
Sorry I’m late to the party!

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com tempus fugit when you are having fun! Happy 1st Twtxtversary!

@bender@twtxt.net YES PLEASE!

Happy 1st Twtxt~iversary to me … I guess. It feels like it was 5 years since my first twt 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net good top of the morning to ya! It is still yesterday here. 🤪

I think that having a dm-only.txt, twtxt-dm.txt or any other name for an alternative file is the most sensible approach. The name could be specified in the metadata.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev maybe create a separate, completely distinct feed for DM? That way, clients do not need to do anything, only those wanted to “talk in private” follow themselves, using their very special dm-only.txt feeds. 😂

@bender@twtxt.net … of course … 😂

It’s AI shit, but … it is funny … and an appropriately bizzare response to a bizzare situation. 😂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ8qGOe2K0o

@movq@www.uninformativ.de hmmm, pigeon soup… 🤤😂

@movq@www.uninformativ.de For sure, an app for that is very silly. I’ve just seen signs in participating shops in my town. That’s how I know of this concept.

thx ✌️

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org My goodness, a toilet app. Was es nich’ alles gibt. 🥴

@movq@www.uninformativ.de You just have to dress yourself up in a dog custume to pee on a tree, fence post or house wall. :-P

Depending on the hour, town halls and also graveyards are typically good options for public toilets. But yeah, you have to find them first. And then, there might be the “Nette Toilette”: https://www.die-nette-toilette.de/ (Unfortunately, you can’t see on the website which towns and cities participate in that concept. :-()

I left XMPP because I found no interactions. Long live IRC!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Nice photo! It is beautiful.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Heck yeah, that’s an awesome shot!

@prologic@twtxt.net I wouldn’t got that far, but yeah 😂

@klaxzy@klaxzy.net … that’s too much.

Pigeon of the day.

@prologic@twtxt.net hurrah! 🥳🥳🥳

@abucci@anthony.buc.ciyarn_police@twtxt.net! Help!

@abucci@anthony.buc.cidoesnm.p.psf.lt@doesnm.p.psf.lt yes, I was aware of that.

We’ve been on a trip to another city this weekend and one thing struck me as really odd:

The lack of “public water” in our cities.

Almost no way of washing your hands or going to the toilet or whatever. You can’t even pee in a bush, because a) that’s illegal and b) there are no bushes!

(It’s always been that way, I just never noticed before. 🥴)

@eapl.me@eapl.me When it is up and running, I promise to add it to the specification. I will also include some corrections.
The nature of twtxt does not allow us to selectively hide clients. It’s a problem not with DM, but with any extension.
@prologic@twtxt.net Yes, it is a security hole. All dm-echo messages are readable. I intend it to be a debugging tool. Maybe I can include a warning message. If many of you see that it is a serious problem, I can remove the links.
@xuu@txt.sour.is It’s already much better than Mastodon :P . Maybe we can remove the sender and receiver references with an intermediary register.

@prologic@twtxt.net twtxt DM is not a serious DM protocol.

not a big deal as I can skip those messages, but again, it’s an extension, so older clients shouldn’t be affected by a new feature.

I’m also thinking that some kind of tag might be needed to automatically hide twts from unknown extensions. For example our client doesn’t support DMs and always shows the !<nick url><encrypted_message> syntax which is meaningless.

well, I suggested that in https://eapl.me/timeline/conv/k2ob6bq

The idea was to help those following the spec in https://twtxt.dev/exts/directmessage.Html, to replicate the steps and validate whether your implementation gives the same result.

BTW, you could add a link to the spec in the echo web.

@bender@twtxt.net Yup, we run an ejabberd.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org do you run your own Jabber server, or piggy back on someone else’s?

Conduwit is set to archive on GitHub. It was my favourite Matrix server, which I still self host. I think I am going to get off Matrix altogether now.

Maybe go back to Jabber?

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev yes, I am sure that, if I delete my Maildir, they will no longer show.

@prologic@twtxt.net @bender@twtxt.net 😂

@prologic@twtxt.net I don’t know, maybe it will be useful for someone 😇

@bender@twtxt.net Yes! I deleted those repeated twts because it was poor execution by my client. They are currently not present in my feed.
Maybe it would be interesting to check if any twt has disappeared?

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com touché! LOL.

@bender@twtxt.net Technically, I’m just doing GOD’s work …

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com are you Jesus, or something? 😂 You are resurrecting the dead! 😅🤣