@prologic@twtxt.net omg yes! They are both ultra-right-wing assholes! The worst of the worst! Please tell me you donāt listen to these guysā brain poison?
Taking Jordan Peterson asn an example, the only thing he āpreachesā (if you want to call it that) is to be honest with yourself and to take responsibility.
This is simply untrue. Read the articles I posted, seriously.
In a tweet in one of the articles I posted, Peterson states there is no white supremacy in Canada. This is blatantly false. It is disinformation. Peterson has made statements that rape is OK (he uses āfancyā language like āwomen should be naturally converted into mothersā but unpack that a bitāwhat he means is legalized rape followed by forced conception). He is openly anti-LGBTQ and refuses to use peoplesā preferred pronouns. He seems to believe that women who wear makeup at work are asking to be sexually harassed.
Heās using his platform in academia to pretend that straight, white men are somehow the most aggrieved group in the world and everyone else is just whining and can get fucked. The patron saint of Menās Rights Activists and incels. I find him odious.
@prologic@twtxt.net Because they are rightwing assholes with a huge platform and they are literally HURTING PEOPLE. People get attacked because of things people like Shapiro and Peterson say. This is not just idle chitchat over coffee. They are saying things like itās OK to rape women (and NO I am not going to dig out the videos where they say that āthatās up to YOU to do, do your own homework before defending these ghouls).
@prologic@twtxt.net It went there because you are supporting bad people who themselves operate at the level of outrage. You cannot have a ādebateā about the ideas of someone like Peterson or Shapiro, because those ideas should not be considered debate-worthy. Rape is not OK, period, the end. It is not up for debate or discussion. Yet Peterson acts as if it is. That is abhorrent, and unacceptable in 2023.
@prologic@twtxt.net Maybe so, but thatās not because of the people who are objecting to Jordan Peterson, thatās for sure. You really need to read the articles Iāve posted before going there. Really.
@prologic@twtxt.net When you unpack what heās saying in that video (which Iāve watched, and just now re-watched), and strip away all his attempts to wrap this idea in fancy-sound language, he is saying: it would be better if women were viewed as property of men, because then if they were raped, the men who owned them would get mad and do something about it. Because rape would be a property crime then, like trespassing or theft. Left unspoken by him, but very much known to him, is that the man/men who āownā a woman can then have their way with her, just like they can freely walk around their yard or use their own stuff. In his envisioned better world, itād be impossible for a husband to rape his wife, for instance, because she is his property and he can do almost anything he wants (thatās literally what āpropertyā is in Western countries).
Itās so fucked up itās hard to put into words how fucked up it is. And this isnāt the only bad idea who bangs on about!
@prologic@twtxt.net yeah man, of course!
I may have misspoken in my haste/anguish. I donāt know of any examples of Ben Shapiro advocating rape. I do know them of Jordan Peterson. Heās known for that, but Iāve seen it myself. So, to be clear, I donāt know if Ben Shapiro is a rape apologist and have no evidence of that. Wouldnāt surprise me frankly because the set of ideas he does talk about tends to include being A-OK with crimes against women, but anyway.
@prologic@twtxt.net hmm, dunno about the recency of that line of thought. I suspect though that given his (recent or not) history, if someone directly asked him ādo you support rapeā he would not say ānoā, heād go on one of these rambling answers about property crime like he did in the video. Maybe Iām mind poisoned by being around academics my whole career, but that way of talking is how an academic gives you an answer they know will be unpopular. PhD = Piled Higher And Deeper, after all right? In other words, if he doesnāt say ānoā right away, heās saying āyesā, except with so many words thereās some uncertainty about whether he actually meant yes. And he damn well knows that, and thatās why I give him no slack.
There are people in academia who believe adult men should be able to have sex with children, legally, too. They use the same manner of talking about it that Peterson uses. We need to stop tolerating this, and draw hard red lines. No, thatās bad, no matter how many words you use to say it. No, donāt express doubts about it, because that provides justification and talking points to the people who actually carry out the acts.