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In-reply-to » @dce So let me get this straight... You want to store your feed on a Codeberg repo right? But you want to clone that repo down somewhere else to serve it on a different location. Right? And you'd like to use the Twtxt App (https://twtxt.app) to front all of this? Right?

@david@daiwei.me I think it might be a bug i just fixed 🤞

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@dce@hashnix.club So let me get this straight… You want to store your feed on a Codeberg repo right? But you want to clone that repo down somewhere else to serve it on a different location. Right? And you’d like to use the Twtxt App (https://twtxt.app) to front all of this? Right?

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In-reply-to » You may have noticed I am not as active as I used to be here. Old @bender isn’t going anywhere, though! But... I am Hyde, and my Jekyll resides at @david. Jekyll is having his turn more often now, so if you follow my pure, unrestrained evil, you may as well follow my dark desires, hypocrite counterpart. 😈🤣

@bender@twtxt.net LOL 😂

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In-reply-to » Easy way to do digital detox: Use a Mastodon instance that someone else maintains. And when it’s down, there’s nothing you can do but wait. 😅

@movq@www.uninformativ.de yeah it’s one of the fundamental principles of Yarn social and everything that I’ve poured into the ecosystem that we’ve collectively built here over the last, What is it six or seven years now?

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In-reply-to » The original twt is unavailable. It may have been edited or deleted, or is from an unknown or muted feed.

and I’m not really sure I’ll ever add an edit or delete button to be honest 🤣

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In-reply-to » The original twt is unavailable. It may have been edited or deleted, or is from an unknown or muted feed.

also, just to clarify, we built the hosted Service as the last lowest rung ladder for non-technical people. I fully expect most technical people will spin up their own publishing backend or use Github or similar so that long-term the ecosystem still remains very much decentralized.

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In-reply-to » @david heads up 👋 that verification code never reached you — outbound email was broken on my end (my mail relay was rejecting twtxt.net senders 🤦‍♂️). Fixed + deployed now 🥳 give the hosted feed another go, it'll land this time 🤞

@david@daiwei.me Found it. Some bugs in the “claim limiter”. Fixing…

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In-reply-to » Yeah, lol, fuck off. Tried to reproduce that hashing issue, thus playing around with Go a little bit. And what did I find?

I also set this to local years ago:

$ go env | grep TELEM
GOTELEMETRY='local'

When this came out I was also outraged. But it doesn’t go anywhere, there are no network connections. It is effectively “off” like this.

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In-reply-to » I don't think I'm going to add edit and delete support in this app because I think it was a horrible mistake to add those features to a client 🤣

I will very likely add a way to delete your feed(s) from the search engine, because I do thing that’s important. But as Art 17 points out, we can’t really guaranteed deletion in everyone’s caches around the planet haha 😆

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In-reply-to » I don't think I'm going to add edit and delete support in this app because I think it was a horrible mistake to add those features to a client 🤣

The only place where this would be an issue is the Twtxt Search Engine – But as the GDPR also points out:

Art. 17

The one place the “it propagated and I can’t recall it” problem is legally acknowledged is Art. 17(2), and it explicitly scales to what’s technically feasible:

“…the controller, taking account of available technology and the cost of implementation, shall take reasonable steps, including technical measures, to inform controllers which are processing the personal data that the data subject has requested the erasure…”

Best-effort, given the technology. A decentralised, append-only, content-addressed feed is the available technology, and its limits are baked into the standard the law applies. Nobody — not the user, not you — is obliged to guarantee every cached copy vanishes.

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In-reply-to » I don't think I'm going to add edit and delete support in this app because I think it was a horrible mistake to add those features to a client 🤣

So just because I enjoy this kind of thing (looking into laws and trying to understand them…):

GDPR is about roles, not ownership

There’s no property right in personal data under GDPR. The whole regime hangs on three roles:

  • Data subject — the person the data is about.
  • Controller (Art. 4(7)) — “the natural or legal person … which, alone or jointly with others, determines the purposes and means of the processing of personal data.”
  • The rights in Arts. 16 and 17 are exercised by a data subject against a controller. They compel a third party to rectify or erase. They are not self-executing duties that a piece of software must expose.

That’s the key. In your architecture, for a user’s own posts about themselves sitting in their own feed on their own device:

  • the user is the data subject, and
  • the user is also the only person “determining the purposes and means” of that data.

There is no third party controller to compel. The “right to erasure” is a right to make someone else delete — and there is no someone else. It is satisfied the instant the user can change the file. A UI button is a convenience, not a legal requirement. Omitting it removes zero rights, because the data is a plain-text file the user can edit or delete by any means — editor, sed, git, their file manager. Full practical control is retained; nobody is being denied anything by anyone.

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based on this, it’s entirely possible that there may still be a subtle bug somewhere with the app

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In-reply-to » I don't think I'm going to add edit and delete support in this app because I think it was a horrible mistake to add those features to a client 🤣

oh man, that voice dictation didn’t come out quite right I think it’s because I still have a cold

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In-reply-to » I don't think I'm going to add edit and delete support in this app because I think it was a horrible mistake to add those features to a client 🤣

as upset repeatedly in the past and many debates and discussions, I don’t think there’s any other viable way to do, threatening in a purely decentralized way because I think you’re just create another set of problems that are probably likely far worse

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In-reply-to » The original twt is unavailable. It may have been edited or deleted, or is from an unknown or muted feed.

and to be clear, I voice dictated that last reply so please excuse any miss speech to text recognition errors

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@david@daiwei.me well I happen to agree because one of the fundamental problems is that you can’t have a tax file specification and assume that you can edit it freely by hand as a human and then clients that deal with that specification in machine possible mechanisms the two kind of conflict because humans get things wrong machines don’t

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I don’t think I’m going to add edit and delete support in this app because I think it was a horrible mistake to add those features to a client 🤣

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