@carsten@yarn.zn80.net @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I also think it is best called fake. Art is created by human beings, for human beings. It mediates a relationship between two people, and is a means of expression.

A computer has no inner life, no feelings, no experience of the world. It is not sentient. It has no life. There’s nothing “in” there for it to express. It’s just generating pixels in patterns we’ve learned to recognize. These AI technologies are carefully crafted to fool people into experiencing the things they experience when they look at human-made art, but it is an empty experience.

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net Who says you need to use anything like that? Where’s the pressure coming from?

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net yeesh, it’s a for-pay company I wouldn’t give them the output of your mind for free and train their AI for them.

@xuu@txt.sour.is this is alarmingly catchy

@xuu@txt.sour.is everyone’s moving to gated communities!

@prologic@twtxt.net ack, I didn’t see this before. Get well soon!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de

twtxt, as I believe it was originally intended, are short little status updates – that’s it.

So, basically a .plan file for finger. But, on the web. like a *web*finger. We have come full circle on this loop!

@xuu@txt.sour.is @prologic@twtxt.net Yarn.social without threading (as it would be the case in a “truncated” feed) does not make sense to me.

Put another way: Yarn.social is not twtxt. The content that we all have in our feeds really is much closer to a web forum or usenet or whatever. It’s threaded conversations. twtxt, as I believe it was originally intended, are short little status updates – that’s it. The formats of Yarn.social and twtxt might be very similar, but the content is vastly different and, in a way, incompatible. (As such, I think I understand very well that the original twtxt crowd is disgruntled.)

That proposed truncated feed doesn’t really provide any value, if you ask me. 🤔 It’d just be chaotic.

@darch@neotxt.dk yes!

@prologic@twtxt.net I would politely suggest again that we not react to people with bad attitudes who talk shit about yarn. If twt is forked, it should be forked to add features that are otherwise not possible. Not to appease people who will probably never be appeased.

👋 Q: How do we feel about forking the Twtxt spec into what we love and use today in Yarn.social in yarnd, tt, jenny, twtr and other clients? 🤔 Thinking about (and talking with @xuu@txt.sour.is on IRC) about the possibility of rewriting a completely new spec (no extensions). Proposed name yarn.txt or “Yarn”. Compatibility would remain with Twtxt in the sense that we wouldn’t break anything per se, but we’d divorce ourselves from Twtxt and be free to improve based on the needs of the community and not the ideals of those that don’t use, contribute in the first place or fixate on nostalgia (which doesn’t really help anyone).

An option would be to have /twtxt.txt be the base functionality as bukket intended without subject tags, markdown, images and such truncated to 140 chars. a /yarn.txt that has all the extentions as we know and love. and maybe a /.well-known/webfinger + (TBD endpoint) that adds on the crypto enhancements that further extend things.

@darch@neotxt.dk I think having a way to layer on features so those who can support/desire them can. It would be best for the community to be able to layer on (or off) the features.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Cheers! I’m happy to agree to disagree too of course! Thanks for engaging!

@xuu@txt.sour.is That has no relevance to the point!

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci that is an ironic example. Since the inventor of the seatbelt gave rights to use the technology freely.

@logout@i-logout.cz well done on 1337 days of gopher server uptime

@chunkimo@twtxt.net lol. go walrus!!

@prologic@twtxt.net I always liked bit.
I am disappointed that a GUI app would not at least have screenshots.

@kindrobot@tilde.town I’m totally joining it

@prologic@twtxt.net it is from the generator. But in the actual go implementation methods are represented with a unsigned short. So 65k is the hard limit in go.

@eldersnake@we.loveprivacy.club apparently someone that generates graphql endpoints for a biiiig app

@prologic@twtxt.net @prologic@twtxt.net this description is applicable. As with PH.D so with this hyper focus.

https://www.openculture.com/2017/06/the-illustrated-guide-to-a-phd-12-simple-pictures-that-will-put-the-daunting-degree-into-perspective.html

@prologic@twtxt.net I get the worry of privacy. But I think there is some value in the data being collected. Do I think that Russ is up there scheming new ways to discover what packages you use in internal projects for targeting ads?? Probably not.

Go has always been driven by usage data. Look at modules. There was need for having repeatable builds so various package tool chains were made and evolved into what we have today. Generics took time and seeing pain points where they would provide value. They weren’t done just so it could be checked off on a box of features. Some languages seem to do that to the extreme.

Whenever changes are made to the language there are extensive searches across public modules for where the change might cause issues or could be improved with the change. The fs embed and strings.Cut come to mind.

I think its good that the language maintainers are using what metrics they have to guide where to focus time and energy. Some of the other languages could use it. So time and effort isn’t wasted in maintaining something that has little impact.

The economics of the “spying” are to improve the product and ecosystem. Is it “spying” when a municipality uses water usage metrics in neighborhoods to forecast need of new water projects? Or is it to discover your shower habits for nefarious reasons?

@prologic@twtxt.net short version: context is a linked list that is passed down a call stack that can share timeout, cancellation, or other data as needed by lower functions in the call stack.

@prologic@twtxt.net the rm -rf is basically what go clean -modcache does.
I think you can use another form that will remove just the deps for a specific module. go clean -r

@pbatch@pbat.ch not sure you’re reading this, how come you’re ditching twtxt?

@prologic@twtxt.net aha, a hater! Just the kind I was looking for some serious business that requires some fervent hating. Pay is good, you up to? :-D :-P

@prologic@twtxt.net The parse is correct. this seems to be something with the markdown render.

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci Where did I hate on SQL databases? 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net boo, boo, boooooo! :-D :-P

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org flawed is the right word, no harsh at all. Good reading, and thanks for supporting the possibility of convincing @prologic@twtxt.net to switch to a database! :-D :-P

@eldersnake@we.loveprivacy.club Several reasons:

• It’s another language to learn (SQL)
  
• It adds another dependency to your system
  
• It’s another failure mode (database blows up, scheme changes, indexs, etc)
  
• It increases security problems (now you have to worry about being SQL-safe)
  

And most of all, in my experience, it doesn’t actually solve any problems that a good key/value store can solve with good indexes and good data structures. I’m just no longer a fan, I used to use MySQL, SQLite, etc back in the day, these days, nope I wouldn’t even go anywhere near a database (for my own projects) if I can help it – It’s just another thing that can fail, another operational overhead.

@bender@twtxt.net You mean @eaplmx@twtxt.net’s reply didn’t show up in your mentions? 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net I am not seeing some of my previous interactions. This one is an example: https://twtxt.net/conv/svvpd3a

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci So.. The issue is that its showing the password by default? Would making an alias to always include the -c help? We can probably engage Jason with a PR to enable a more hardened approach when desired. I’ve spoken to him before and is generally a pretty open to ideas.

I found this app that was created by the gopass author that does copy by default and has a tui or GUI mode https://github.com/cortex/ripasso

@prologic@twtxt.net @movq@www.uninformativ.de this is the default behavior of pass on my machine:

I add a new password entry named example and then type pass example. The password I chose, “test”, is displayed in cleartext. This is very bad default behavior. I don’t know about the other clis you both mentioned but I’ll check them out.

The browser plugin browserpass does the same kind of thing, though I have already removed it and I’m not going to reinstall it to make a movie. Next to each credential there’s an icon to copy the username to the clipboard, an icon to copy the password to the clipboard, and then an icon to view details, which shows you everything, including the password, in cleartext. The screencap in the Chrome store is out of date; it doesn’t show the offending link to show all details, which I know is there because I literally installed it today and played with it.

@mckinley@twtxt.net i use pass along with the android and browser-pass clients. it is very good and keeping in sync is pretty simple.

@mckinley@twtxt.net very weird things going on for me.. i can see your twt but its not showing up as a reply or fork?

@prologic@twtxt.net #ratchet #lives

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci i have an old copy of the 2005 version from university if you want to give it a read through. its quite dry.

@xuu@txt.sour.is yeah, I know less about ISO27k (in part because you have to pay for access to the complete standards documents!!!), but I figured it was similar.

@prologic@twtxt.net yap. This was an offer message to you. rachet-over-yarn mode enabled!

@prologic@twtxt.net vultr pricing is low. But it can be lower if you shop the less fancy admin ui sites like virmarch or ovh. There are some bare metal that cost way less.. Though the experience is less than optimal.

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci ISO 27001 is basically the same. It means that there is management sign off for a process to improve security is in place. Not that the system is secure. And ITIL is that managment signs off that problems and incidents should have processes defined.

Though its a good mess of words you can throw around while saying “management supports this so X needs to get done”

@prologic@twtxt.net !XO!1GcUL/ZbHj+CZnedB67ddd0tt3y1ppSLY7wbzMhraUeubCUH8LRT61pz6jPyOEa2wYYupwP7tu1cwR9mNN/k+No7PEw13kqBy6YvDU8jettw25Lkj3gZ+R4J1q6d0GWKKGx+OsYmJMPev7BL+5SCnt08qQYmgGAVhyhJZMkndIgk=!OX!

@prologic@twtxt.net that worked.. But took crazy long time

@prologic@twtxt.net test

@prologic@twtxt.net I get this error when replying to yarns.

@prologic@twtxt.net I have updated to kinda follow this. It now redirects to other webfingers if the resource has a different hostname. I’m still not sure what I should put multiple services with the same domain name. Like if they were to have conflicting properties.