I’ve gathers my ideas about mentions for twtxt/yarn here: Webmentions vs. custom mentions spec for twtxt/yarn - HedgeDoc
You are welcome to edit and comment in the doc, so our ideas are not fragment into a bunch of treads

@bender@twtxt.net It is the new “politically correct”. Something that was used to describe acting in a more civilized way with one another. Turned into a scapegoat for the other side to label, demonize, and attack.

@shreyan@twtxt.net What do you mean when you say federation protocol?

• Either use webfinger for identity like mastodon etc. or use ATproto from Bluesky (or both?)

• We can use webmentions or create our own twt-mentions for notifying someones feed (WIP code at: https://github.com/sorenpeter/timeline/tree/webmention/views)

I’m not sure we need much else. I would not even bother with encryption since other platforms does that better, and for me twtxt/yarn/timeline is for making things public

yarn should define its own federation protocol that extends the basic twtxt in ways that twtxt doesn’t allow. it’s time. and i’ve got ideas!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org

You can’t catch the kill signal. Should this be syscall.SIGTERM instead of os.Kill, xuu? https://git.sour.is/sour-is/go-paste/src/branch/main/main.go#L21

You are totally right.. i think i was going for SIGTERM and SIGQUIT

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org its a hierarchy key value format. I designed it for the network peering tools i use.. I can grant access to different parts of the tree to other users.. kinda like directory permissions. a basic example of the format is:

@namespace
# multi
# line
# comment
root :value

# example space comment
@namespace.name space-tag 

# attribute comments
attribute attr-tag  :value for attribute

# attribute with multiple 
# lines of values
foo :bar
      :bin
      :baz

repeated :value1
repeated :value2

each @ starts the definition of a namespace kinda like [name] in ini format. It can have comments that show up before. then each attribute is key :value and can have their own # comment lines.
Values can be multi line.. and also repeated..

the namespaces and values can also have little meta data tags added to them.

the service can define webhooks/mqtt topics to be notified when the configs are updated. That way it can deploy the changes out when they are updated.

@mckinley@twtxt.net Don’t forget the syntax for arrays of sets [[foo.bars]] [[foo.bars]] [[foo.bars]]

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Lack of comments are definitely a shortcoming of JSON. I don’t like TOML because it lets you have nested categories ([foo] [foo.bar] [foo.baz]) and it just feels confusing to me, even with indentation. Simple INI files are okay.

The Prosody XMPP server’s configuration file is just a Lua script because Prosody is written in Lua, and that’s excellent.

Yeah, the lack of comments makes regular JSON not a good configuration format in my view. Also, putting all keys in quotes and the use of commas is annoying. The big upside is that’s in lots of standard libraries.

I think the appeal with YAML is that is has comments, is kind of easy to write and read and also provides unlimited nesting levels. But it has all its drawbacks, no question. Forbidding tabs, thousands of different string flavors, having so many boolean options (poor Norwegians) etc. I use it, but I don’t particularly enjoy it.

Among simple key value pairs, I like INI files, but with # for comments, not ;. I never used TOML, read up on it yesteray before writing this question, but it looks a bit weird and has some strange rules. I guess I have to give it a try one day.

And yes, as mentioned by several of you, it always depends on the complexity of the configuration at hand.

I’m developing something for the scouts at the moment with rather simple requirements on the config. Currently, there are just four settings. Even INI would be overkill with its section. I selected JSON for now, because that’s readily available with Go’s std lib. But I do not like it.

Btw. what’s your own config format, @xuu@txt.sour.is?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org i made my own :D

I do prefer toml for the old school ini style with added support for object lists.

my second would be hjson or any other json with comments style.

I came across Google Summer of Code

This one looks interesting, I’ll apply soon, and perhaps is interesting for you as well
https://kiwix.org/en/google-summer-of-code/

Would ‘twtxt’ be a good project for the next one? 🤔

@johanbove@johanbove.info dear lord! Can you still sleep at night?!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Haha! yeah sounds about like my HS CS program. A math teacher taught visual basic and pascal. and over on the other end of the school we had “electronics” which was a room next to the auto body class where they had a bunch of random computer parts scavenged from the district decommissioned surplus storage.

The advanced class would piece together training kits for the basic class to put together.

@prologic@twtxt.net High five, I’m “generation Java” as well! 😂 There were some leftovers of C++, we used that in the computer graphics courses in Uni a lot. But pretty much anything else that involved programming was Java.

(There was nothing even remotely resembling CS in our “high school”. That school neither had the required teachers nor the equipment / PCs.)

@bender@twtxt.net bug? @prologic@twtxt.net

I keep muting accounts here (twtxt.net), and they keep popping back on after some time. It is nuts. :-(

@quark@ferengi.one pascal was high school for me 10th grade. I remember making an over the top Yahtzee game with text windows and everything. My instructor got mad at me because it was a ton of pages printed out to review.

@xuu@txt.sour.is wow, I can tell I am older than you (I already knew this, but still). It was nothing but Pascal for me.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de before this century. Back when colleges taught C++ instead of Java for CS degrees.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah the func in func threw me off.. The generic type iter.Seq[V] does make things a bit more clear though.

@xuu@txt.sour.is These are indeed iterators. Very weird syntax, though.

I would love to see a world where ones twtxt feed is defined by webfinger. So @xuu@txt.sour.is => https://text.sour.is/user/xuu/twtxt.txt

Then my identity can exist independent of the feed location. And I can host multiple protocol types for my feed. Ie. http/gopher/Gemini/irc DCC/etc

@movq@www.uninformativ.de NASM is great. I remember playing with it back in my HS days. It has lots of little helps to make assembly more approachable.

@quark@ferengi.one @mckinley@twtxt.net
i think you have to be following the person so it does it correctly.

@mckinley@twtxt.net weird you mentioned my with the anthony.buc.ci account. I am assuming these kind of bugs were never addressed by @prologic@twtxt.net. :-(

@movq@www.uninformativ.de its always fun to look back on old projects. I talked to an old coworker about a codebase i made back in 2010 that still has lots of the same architecture i built into it back then and is still in heavy use.

@eapl.me@eapl.me the 24th of June 2002 was a pivotal year in my life.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de the location is real. A few in the ‘hood mentioned seeing this person directly. They live somewhere on the hillside in the background of the video.

@prologic@twtxt.net pretty nothing berger. The “blowout” was pretty tame coming from Linus kill yourself now. The world will be a better place” Torvold.

The issue was a dev making a “fix” that didn’t have a documented problem. They reused some specific low level functions they did not understand the reason they were made.

@prologic@twtxt.net ahhh! Its the dark reader plugin breaking the page.

https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/28861

@prologic@twtxt.net why am I getting this on your git?

Twtxt spec enhancement proposal thread 🧵

Adding attributes to individual twts similar to adding feed attributes in the heading comments.

https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/go-lextwt/pulls/17

The basic use case would be for multilingual feeds where there is a default language and some twts will be written a different language.

As seen in the wild: https://eapl.mx/twtxt.txt

The attributes are formatted as [key=value]

They can show up in the twt anywhere it is not enclosed by another element such as codeblock or part of a markdown link.

@eapl.me@eapl.me: [boost]

#repost @eapl.me@eapl.me:

Ha, this is cool. Has its flaws, although is easy to remember.

An RNG that runs in your brain

https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/randomness/

@eapl.me@eapl.me:

Ha, this is cool. Has its flaws, although is easy to remember.

An RNG that runs in your brain

https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/randomness/

Trying out a boost format. seems better with text after….

@eapl.me@eapl.me trying out a boost format.

Ha, this is cool. Has its flaws, although is easy to remember.

An RNG that runs in your brain

https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/randomness/

@sorenpeter@darch.dk this makes sense as a quote twt that references a direct URL. If we go back to how it developed on twitter originally it was RT @nick: original text because it contained the original text the twitter algorithm would boost that text into trending.

i like the format (#hash) @<nick url> > "Quoted text"\nThen a comment
as it preserves the human read able. and has the hash for linking to the yarn. The comment part could be optional for just boosting the twt.

The only issue i think i would have would be that that yarn could then become a mess of repeated quotes. Unless the client knows to interpret them as multiple users have reposted/boosted the thread.

The format is also how iphone does reactions to SMS messages with +number liked: original SMS

@eapl.me@eapl.me this is interesting. Is the square bracket something used in the wild for multilingual twts?

@prologic@twtxt.net what are your thoughts? Should we extend the parser to handle [lang] and [boost] ? Or a generic attribute spec. Single word is a boolean attribute. And one with an = is a string key/value.

What about using the blockquote format with > ?

Snippet from someone else’s post
by: @eapl.me@eapl.me

Would it not also make sense to have the repost be a reply to the original post using the (#twthash), and maybe using a tag like #repost so it eaier to filter them out?

@eapl.me@eapl.me kinda like the format for markdown images? ![alt](url 'title') ?

@New_scientist@feeds.twtxt.net Silicon Valley’s top AI models are terrible at almost everything. They only seem otherwise because people are easily fooled into believing they have capabilities they don’t have.

A cold beer and hanging out on twtxt, it doesn’t get much better

@prologic@twtxt.net nope.

@prologic@twtxt.net what?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I have read the white papers for MLS before. I have put a lot of thought on how to do it with salty/ratchet. Its a very good tech for ensuring multiple devices can be joined to an encrypted chat. But it is bloody complicated to implement.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org i first learned about it from this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JxvKfSV9Ns&pp=ygUOZmlib25hY2NpIGhlYXA%3D

and this site: https://www.programiz.com/dsa/fibonacci-heap

@prologic@twtxt.net What I did as a work around for mattermost was hijack the gitlab oauth login with my own auth server.

I’ve added myself to the registries at registry.twtxt.org and twtxt.tilde.institute. I wonder if there’s a list of registries. #meta

Huh. At some point, my twtxt-via-ssh shortcut from my phone stopped working. It does again now! I’ve changed nothing. Yay black boxes! 🤷🏻

@xuu@txt.sour.is That was one of the horror puzzles where I had to look for help. 🥴 I modelled my solution after this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pDSooPLLkI

(I can’t explain it better than the video anyway.) It takes a second on my machine and that’s with my own hashmap implementation which is probably not the fastest one.