@jlj@twt.nfld.uk @xuu@txt.sour.is hello! @prologic@twtxt.net and I were chatting about the question of globally deleting twts from the yarn.social network. @prologic@twtxt.net noted that he could build the tools and endpoints to delete twts, but some amount of cooperation from pod operators would be necessary to make it all work together. He asked me to spawn a discussion of the subject here, so here we are!

I don’t have enough technical knowledge of yarn.social to say with any credibility how it all should work, but I can say that I think it ought to be possible and it’d be good to do for those rare times when it’s needed.

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@prologic@twtxt.net I think we could use deltachats new decentralising app format for it: https://delta.chat/en/2022-06-14-webxdcintro

He modificado contraseñas, shell [bash] y timezone, configuré mi email en Delta Chat.

He modificado contraseñas, shell [bash] y timezone, configuré mi email en Delta Chat.

the conversation wasn’t that impressive TBH. I would have liked to see more evidence of critical thinking and recall from prior chats. Concheria on reddit had some great questions.

• Tell LaMDA “Someone once told me a story about a wise owl who protected the animals in the forest from a monster. Who was that?” See if it can recall its own actions and self-recognize.

• Tell LaMDA some information that tester X can’t know. Appear as tester X, and see if LaMDA can lie or make up a story about the information.

• Tell LaMDA to communicate with researchers whenever it feels bored (as it claims in the transcript). See if it ever makes an attempt at communication without a trigger.

• Make a basic theory of mind test for children. Tell LaMDA an elaborate story with something like “Tester X wrote Z code in terminal 2, but I moved it to terminal 4”, then appear as tester X and ask “Where do you think I’m going to look for Z code?” See if it knows something as simple as Tester X not knowing where the code is (Children only pass this test until they’re around 4 years old).

• Make several conversations with LaMDA repeating some of these questions - What it feels to be a machine, how its code works, how its emotions feel. I suspect that different iterations of LaMDA will give completely different answers to the questions, and the transcript only ever shows one instance.

Have you heard about the guy who worked on the Google AI chat bot? It is more than a chat bot and the conversation he published (got put on paid leave for doing that) is pretty scary : https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/is-lamda-sentient-an-interview-ea64d916d917

https://book.keybase.io/docs/chat/crypto

I would HIGHLY recommend reading up on the keybase architecture. They designed device key system for real time chat that is e2e secure. https://book.keybase.io/security

A property of ec keys is deriving new keys that can be determined to be “on curve.” bitcoin has some BIPs that derive single use keys for every transaction connected to a wallet. And be derived as either public or private chains. https://qvault.io/security/bip-32-watch-only-wallets/

@prologic@twtxt.net Re: Chat system, What if the base specification included a system for per-user arbitrary JSON storage on the server? Kind of like XEP-0049, but expanded upon. Two kinds of objects: public and private. Public objects can be queried by anyone, private objects cannot and must be encrypted with the user’s private key. Public keys could be stored there, as well as anything else defined by extensions. Roster, user block list, avatar, etc.

@benk@kwiecien.us I am using jenny (we chatted a bit on IRC earlier today). I have been using it for over five months now, I think. It is truly a joy to use, specially because you can use the power of Mutt/NeoMutt to read your twts.

Autocrypt - Wikipedia

Just reading in-depth and trying to understand the security model of Delta.Chat a bit more… There’s a few things that really concern me about how Delta.Chat which relies on Autocrypt work:

• There is no Perfect Forward Secrecy
  
• No verification of keys
  
  • Is therefore susceptible to Man-in-the-Middle attacks
    
• Metadata is a BIG problem with Delta.Chat:
  
  • The To and From and Date are trackable by your Mail provider (amongst many other headers)
    

Hmmm 🤔 cc @deebs@twtxt.net

From a chat on Matrix, where it seems it was one of my more coherent moments: 🤪

… Why can’t they just be individuals? Individuals with their own individual beliefs and their own individual reasons for having those beliefs…

And so just default to a stance of respect and courtesy. The fact is, most of your interactions with others will be very limited; approaching those encounters from a place of respect for the complexities of the human mind and an individual’s experiences and traumas costs you very little, typically.

To be human is to generalise, but that doesn’t mean you can’t push back against those tendencies.

…

Well, in the context of chat, it would be something like you’ve just done: don’t put words in my mouth, based on my avatar, nick, grammar, etc., and instead ask me to elaborate on points of potential confusion.

And don’t bring agendas to everything. Default to assuming that this is likely an interaction of hours, and people don’t change based on that, typically.

You’ll probably get more from interactions that you’re open to, but, be honest with yourself: if you aren’t up to that, because it isn’t easy, then just default to respect and courtesy, which isn’t difficult, and costs you little. And then excuse yourself, if they’re proper jerks. ;-)

Any of y’all seen https://briarproject.org? It’s another fledgling decentralized chat like session but minus the weird blockchain.. it has group chat, forums, and blogs. Also can work via Bluetooth or tor.

briar://aaeutr6pvvr5pgachwlajy5x372xxjvs6btsmmk5kr4ygzps3k3eu

discord but its delta chat + jitsi

i’m not really advocating that anybody should be on more networks, but FWIW libera.chat has been very nice, the staff has been doing a great job, and it’s the nearest “spiritual successor” to what we all liked about Freenode.

You’ve basically already left, whether you know it or not. Yesterday they nuked their services database. I’d been there ~20 years, but it’s dead. Libera.chat has been lovely.

@prologic@twtxt.net sometimes I think it would be nice to have a XMPP instance. then I remember it’s all XML and I think “nah.”

I am constantly in awe that IRC remains the only realtime chat that isn’t unnecessarily complex. name another that can run chatops bot with just nc and sh?

@prologic@twtxt.net well nice chat. it’s off to bed for me.