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In-reply-to » @falsifian In my opinion it was a mistake that we defined the first url field in the feed to define the URL for hashing. It should have been the last encountered one. Then, assuming append-style feeds, you could override the old URL with a new one from a certain point on:

I was not suggesting to that everyone need to setup a working webfinger endpoint, but that we take the format of nick+(sub)domain as base for generating the hashed together with the message date and content.

If we omit the protocol prefix from the way we do things now will that not solve most of the problems? In the case of gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~nristen/twtxt.txt they also have a working twtxt.txt at https://ctrl-c.club/~nristen/twtxt.txt 
 damn I just notice the gemini. subdomain.

Okay what about defining a prefers protocol as part of the hash schema? so 1: https , 2: http 3: gemini 4: gopher ?

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In-reply-to » (#mp6ox4a) @cuaxolotl Ah, thanks for reporting back! Okay, so you’re basically manually “crawling” feeds right now. đŸ€” What do you think about the idea of adding something like # follow_notify = gemini://foo/bar to your feed’s metadata, so that clients who follow you can ping that URL every now and then? How would you even notice that, do you regularly read your gemini logs? đŸ€”

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @prologic@twtxt.net Hey! I may have found a silly trick to announce my following to people hosting their feeds on the Gemini space using the requested URI itself instead of relaying on the USER Agent 😂. I’ve copied my current feed over to my (to be) Gemlog for testing. And if I do a jenny -D "gemini://gem.aelaraji.com/twtxt.txt?follower=aelaraji@https://aelaraji.com/twtxt.txt" and this happens:

A) As a follower, I get the feed as usual.
B) As the feed owner, I get this in logs:

hostname:1965 - “gemini://gem.aelaraji.com/twtxt.txt?follower=aelaraji@https://aelaraji.com/twtxt.txt” 20 “text/plain;lang=en-US”

You could do the same for Gopher feeds but only if you want to announce yourself by throwing in an error in their logs, then you’ll need a second request to fetch the feed. jenny -D "gopher://gopher.aelaraji.com/twtxt.txt&follower=aelaraji@https:/aelaraji.com/twtxt.txt" gave me this :

gopher.aelaraji.com:70 - [09/Sep/2024:22:08:54 +0000] “GET 0/twtxt.txt&follower=aelaraji@https:/aelaraji.com/twtxt.txt HTTP/1.0” 404 0 “” “Unknown gopher client”

NB: the follower=... string won’t appear in gopher logs after a ? but if I replace it with a + or a & and it works. There will be a missing / after the https:. Probably a client thing.

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In-reply-to » @falsifian In my opinion it was a mistake that we defined the first url field in the feed to define the URL for hashing. It should have been the last encountered one. Then, assuming append-style feeds, you could override the old URL with a new one from a certain point on:

how little data is needed for generating the hashes? Instead of the full URL, can we makedo with just the domain (example.net) so we avoid the conflicts with gemini://, https:// and only http:// (like in my own twtxt.txt) or construct something like like a webfinger id nick@domain (also used by mastodon etc.) from the domain and nick if there, else use domain as nick as well

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@cuaxolotl@sunshinegardens.org Ah, thanks for reporting back! Okay, so you’re basically manually “crawling” feeds right now. đŸ€” What do you think about the idea of adding something like # follow_notify = gemini://foo/bar to your feed’s metadata, so that clients who follow you can ping that URL every now and then? How would you even notice that, do you regularly read your gemini logs? đŸ€”

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It’s a shame that so many public Wi-Fi networks block traffic on ports 70 and 1965, completely cutting off both Gopher and Gemini. Restricting Internet access to only the “most common” use cases like YouTube and Wikipedia is a great way to ensure they eventually become the “only” use cases.

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Google Chrome will have Gemini LLM built into the browser.

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In-reply-to » I suspect that people who came to Gemini from Gopher are more satisfied with the protocol than people who came to Gemini from HTTP.

@Rob@jsreed5.org Coming from HTTP and discovered both at the same time, my preference might be biased towards Gemini because of the content syntax but I love both equally.

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Je suis en plein rĂ©flexion. Je cherche Ă  me dĂ©connecter, et lire hors ligne aprĂšs synchronisation. Un peu comme le fait offpunk. Cependant, ça ne me convient pas, la navigation en ligne revient trop vite; Je veux rĂ©cupĂ©rer les changements des sites puis les lire. RSS/ATOM (mastodon en gĂ©nĂšre), c’est parfait pour ça, je lis tout avec rss2email. Comment faire de mĂȘme pour #gemini et #gopher? Je rĂȘve d’ouvrir mon terminal, puis de parcourir les nouveautĂ©s sans clics

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Commentaire du code pour un service de lecture over ssh (et je me la pĂšte au passage avec plein de liens #C ) : https://si3t.ch/log/2023-11-13-txtoverssh.c.txt gopher://si3t.ch/0/log/2023-11-13-txtoverssh.c.txt gemini://si3t.ch/log/2023-11-13-txtoverssh.c.txt http://6gvb6fzoxv72mtlpvr2fgj7ytpeggwuerdawspt24njlkwfxir6jncid.onion/log/2023-11-13-txtoverssh.c.txt gopher://of2w2p5f4hsslk63hmo6tid6r7inhlxuxviq4pb5cxg45enswpbrfjad.onion/0/log/2023-11-13-txtoverssh.c.txt gemini://b2khgkvb2wn4avjshjp63kknsjwikgwff5dwwydldia6qwf4kdnueyad.onion/log/2023-11-13-txtoverssh.c.txt ou encore ‘ssh lire@si3t.ch’ numĂ©ro 45.

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PensĂ©e dĂ©sagrĂ©able du jour: le protocole #gemini n’est pas Ă©cologique car il n’est pas accessible sur du vieux matĂ©riel Ă  cause du TLS forcĂ©. Servir des fichiers textes Ă©crits en gemtext en #http est mieux dans ce cas

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In-reply-to » Yep, that's right, we have to use these tools in a proper way; terminal it’s not a friendly tool to use for this kind of stuff, on mobile devices, and web interfaces are prepared to bring us a confortable space.

[lang=en] By the way, have you played with Station on Gemini?

I like that using Gemtext, you can have a pretty decent microblogging platform. Imagine that with decentralization from twtxt. That sounds appealing to me!

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¿Qué seguirå para este cliente de Twtxt?

  • Agregar RSS (para que otras personas puedan seguirlo en su cliente favorito)
  • Agregar hilos (para dar seguimiento a futuras contestaciones)
  • Soporte para Gemtext y Gemini (para la comunidad de Smol net)

ÂżTĂș que diceS?

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¿Qué seguirå para este cliente de Twtxt?

  • Agregar RSS (para que otras personas puedan seguirlo en su cliente favorito)
  • Agregar hilos (para dar seguimiento a futuras contestaciones)
  • Soporte para Gemtext y Gemini (para la comunidad de Smol net)

ÂżTĂș que diceS?

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It feels like every time I come across a Gemini capsule I find interesting, the owner suddenly stops posting and leaves the protocol. Maybe that’s a lesson for me: if I like their content, reach out to them and let them know.

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In-reply-to » What do you feel when you listen to something you didn't believe it's true?

@eaplmx@twtxt.net This exact thing happened to me last night. I happened to be watching some random Youtube video, then this Ad came on, normally they are short 3-5s ads and I just tolerate them (sometimes) – But this particular ad was 20+ mins long! Somehow I kept listening to it too, despite my daughter telling me I could hit that “Skip Ad” button.

What was it you ask?! 😅 It was one of those testimonial-style, hyped up marketing videos of some product called “Gemini 2” (a currency trading app, allegedly), I kept watching all the way through, it was fantastic! đŸ€Ł

Then I went and read up on it! 


Short answer: TOTAL FUCKING SCAM đŸ€Ł

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I might be in the minority on this, but given what small Web projects like Gemini aim to achieve, I don’t like the idea of establishing standards for Gemini capsules purely for the purpose of aiding automation.

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All the scripts on my Gemini capsule (except chess) have now been rewritten using Python and storing data in a SQLite database. This is the first time I’ve ever worked with database in a “production” environment, and I’m inordinately excited.

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There are some Gemini feeds that Antenna is failing to connect to, and it looks like it’s clogging up the log pretty badly. I hope it’s not putting too much strain on the server.

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