@movq@www.uninformativ.de I don’t know if I’d want to discard the twts. I think what I’m looking for is a command “jenny -g https://host.org/twtxt.txt” to fetch just that one feed, even if it’s not in my follow list. I could wrap that in a shell script so that when I see a twt in reply to a feed I don’t follow, I can just tap a key and the feed will get added to my maildir. I guess the script would look for a mention at the start of a selected twt and call jenny -g on the feed.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Is there a good way to get jenny to do a one-off fetch of a feed, for when you want to fill in missing parts of a thread? I just added @slashdot@feeds.twtxt.net to my private follow file just because @prologic@twtxt.net keeps responding to the feed :-P and I want to know what he’s commenting on even though I don’t want to see every new slashdot twt.

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org I do like to think of that recommendation as sarcastic stab at twt-errr’s rules 😉 so, IMO the more a twt exceeds the recommended limit the merrier! 😂

Hmmm I’m a little concerned, as I’m seeing quite a few feeds I follow in an error state:

I’m not so concerned with the 15x context deadline exceeded but more concerned with:

aelaraji@aelaraji.com  Unfollow (6 twts, Last fetched 5m ago with error:
dead feed: 403 Forbidden
x4 times.)

And:

anth@a.9srv.net  Unfollow (1 twts, Last fetched 5m ago with error:
Get "http://a.9srv.net/tw.txt": dial tcp 144.202.19.161:80: connect: connection refused
x3733 times.)

Hmmm, maybe the stats are a bit off? 🤔

twts are taking a very long time to post from yarn after the latest upgrade. Like a good 60 seconds.

@prologic@twtxt.net I don’t know if this is new, but I’m seeing:

Jul 25 16:01:17 buc yarnd[1921547]: time="2024-07-25T16:01:17Z" level=error msg="https://yarn.stigatle.no/user/stigatle/twtxt.txt: client.Do fail: Get \"https://yarn.stigatle.no/user/stigatle/twtxt.txt\": dial tcp 185.97.32.18:443: i/o timeout (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)" error="Get \"https://yarn.stigatle.no/user/stigatle/twtxt.txt\": dial tcp 185.97.32.18:443: i/o timeout (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)"

I no longer see twts from @stigatle@yarn.stigatle.no at all.

This is a test. I am not seeing twts from @stigatle@yarn.stigatle.no and it seems like @prologic@twtxt.net might not be seeing twts from me. Do people see this?

@prologic@twtxt.net I am not seeing twts from @stigatle@yarn.stigatle.no anymore. Are you seeing twts from me?

@prologic@twtxt.net There are a lot of logs being generated by yarnd, which is something I haven’t seen before too:

Jul 25 14:32:42 buc yarnd[1911318]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 14:32:42 (162.211.155.2) "GET /twt/ubhq33a HTTP/1.1" 404 29 643.251µs
Jul 25 14:32:43 buc yarnd[1911318]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 14:32:43 (162.211.155.2) "GET /twt/112073211746755451 HTTP/1.1" 400 12 505.333µs
Jul 25 14:32:44 buc yarnd[1911318]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 14:32:44 (111.119.213.103) "GET /twt/whau6pa HTTP/1.1" 200 37360 35.173255ms
Jul 25 14:32:44 buc yarnd[1911318]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 14:32:44 (162.211.155.2) "GET /twt/112343305123858004 HTTP/1.1" 400 12 455.069µs
Jul 25 14:32:44 buc yarnd[1911318]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 14:32:44 (168.199.225.19) "GET /external?nick=lovetocode999&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.palapa.pl%2Fbaners.php%3Flink%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.dwnewstoday.com HTTP/1.1" 200 36167 19.582077ms
Jul 25 14:32:44 buc yarnd[1911318]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 14:32:44 (162.211.155.2) "GET /twt/112503061785024494 HTTP/1.1" 400 12 619.152µs
Jul 25 14:32:46 buc yarnd[1911318]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 14:32:46 (162.211.155.2) "GET /twt/111863876118553837 HTTP/1.1" 400 12 817.678µs
Jul 25 14:32:46 buc yarnd[1911318]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 14:32:46 (162.211.155.2) "GET /twt/112749994821704400 HTTP/1.1" 400 12 540.616µs
Jul 25 14:32:47 buc yarnd[1911318]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 14:32:47 (103.204.109.150) "GET /external?nick=lovetocode999&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fampurify.com%2Fbbs%2Fboard.php%3Fbo_table%3Dfree%26wr_id%3D113858 HTTP/1.1" 200 36187 15.95329ms

I’ve seen that nick=lovetocode999 a bunch.

There are also a bunch of log messages scrolling by. I’ve never seen this much activity in the log:

Jul 25 01:37:39 buc.ci yarnd[829]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 01:37:39 (149.71.56.69) "GET /external?nick=lovetocode999&uri=https://pagez.co.uk/services/your-own-100-fully-owned-online-vi>
Jul 25 01:37:39 buc.ci yarnd[829]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 01:37:39 (162.211.155.2) "GET /twt/112135496802692324 HTTP/1.1" 400 12 826.65µs
Jul 25 01:37:40 buc.ci yarnd[829]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 01:37:40 (51.222.253.14) "GET /conv/muttriq HTTP/1.1" 200 36881 20.448309ms
Jul 25 01:37:40 buc.ci yarnd[829]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 01:37:40 (162.211.155.2) "GET /twt/112730114943543514 HTTP/1.1" 400 12 663.493µs
Jul 25 01:37:40 buc.ci yarnd[829]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 01:37:40 (27.75.213.253) "GET /external?nick=lovetocode999&uri=http%3A%2F%2Falfarah.jo%2FHome%2FChangeCulture%3FlangCode%3Den>
Jul 25 01:37:40 buc.ci yarnd[829]: time="2024-07-25T01:37:40Z" level=error msg="http://bynet.com.br/log_envio.asp?cod=335&email=%21%2AEMAIL%2A%21&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.almanacar.c>
Jul 25 01:37:40 buc.ci yarnd[829]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 01:37:40 (162.211.155.2) "GET /twt/111674756400660911 HTTP/1.1" 400 12 545.106µs
Jul 25 01:37:40 buc.ci yarnd[829]: time="2024-07-25T01:37:40Z" level=warning msg="feed FetchFeedRequest: @<lovetocode999 http://alfarah.jo/Home/ChangeCulture?langCode=en&returnUrl>
Jul 25 01:37:41 buc.ci yarnd[829]: [yarnd] 2024/07/25 01:37:41 (162.211.155.2) "GET /twt/112507964696096567 HTTP/1.1" 400 12 838.946µs

Something really weird is going on?

The delete twt is not working.

So updated. Seems to duplicate here in the ui. And what is this “Read More” on every twt now?

By the way, @xuu@txt.sour.is, it looks like you’re running an old, buggy version of yarnd, that duplicates twts in the feed on edit.

Testing something.. can someone mention me in a twt?

@prologic@twtxt.net LOL fare enough! I’ll keep that in mind fir future twts … I hope invidious instances are ok 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net I was replaying to your twt and thing got too long and messy, so I emailed you. I hope you don’t mind.

This is a test twt to see if :set formatoptions-=t in vim would stop the annoying line breaking I’ve been having in my twts… And I guess, that’s it! Things are looking OK on my end.

How about if I add in a separate paragraph like this one? Did hit return twice for it. I hope it isn’t breaking anything else.

@bender@twtxt.net /me taking notes for future twts …
Sorry for the confusion lads! o.o’

@bender@twtxt.net TBH It was quite late (where I am) when I wrote that twt, way past 2 AM … 😅
But there wasn’t much activity during the day either. It got me wondering if there was something wrong with my cron task for fetching your feeds.

Maybe it’s just the weekends. + there isn’t much bloat content around this space as on the usual platforms anyway.

Is Yarn.social dead or just too niche? (uyrrria) 🧐

Hah 🤣 @dfaria@twtxt.net Your @dfaria.eu@dfaria.eu feed really does consume about >50% of a “Discover” search with filters “Without replies” and “Hide my posts”. 🤣

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@bender@twtxt.net Yeah I know! 😅 I’ve checked their blog and mastodon earlier. That’s what inspired me to replay to their twt, just in case.

I might have found the actual source of my problem.

Jenny uses an .eml file when composing a twt …
and vim kinda auto formats it and inserts in those line breaks every ~70 character.

Then, I stumbled upon this link where Where someone reports that saving a .eml into a .txt might… corrupt the data?

@prologic@twtxt.net Thank
you! and here’s a twt with the said random characters, since I’ve been
cleaning them up manually, earlier before scp-ing my twtxt.txt file. And
maybe a screenshot of how things look in my editor?

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Those new lines are added automatically as I type (except for the ones
after the screenshot.

@bender@twtxt.net I’m using both machines in English.

Checked my locale and it spits out:

LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=“en_US.UTF-8”
LC_NUMERIC=“en_US.UTF-8”
LC_TIME=“en_US.UTF-8”
LC_COLLATE=“en_US.UTF-8”
LC_MONETARY=“en_US.UTF-8”
LC_MESSAGES=“en_US.UTF-8”
LC_PAPER=“en_US.UTF-8”
LC_NAME=“en_US.UTF-8”
LC_ADDRESS=“en_US.UTF-8”
LC_TELEPHONE=“en_US.UTF-8”
LC_MEASUREMENT=“en_US.UTF-8”
LC_IDENTIFICATION=“en_US.UTF-8”
LC_ALL=

🤷🏽 … and that only happens when vi, vim or nvim are launched by Jenny to compose a twt.

@prologic@twtxt.net it actually does!

But I broke something trying to get rid of the random characters showing on my twts as mentioned here #k7tcqwq.
I taught it was as easy as swapping the ‘\u2028’ in jenny’s new_twt_from_file function but there’s a reason I’m not a developer (yet) 😅

It kinda got rid of them in a way but broke the new lines in the process. So I put things back the way the were till I figure out something else.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Thank you! and sorry, I’ve just noticed your twt. About the funky characters, it’s probably something off with my editor, I’ve just ssh-ed from mobile and checked my .txt file, it looked like that when I cat the file but normal on neoutt. I’ll try and see what’s the deal first thing in the morning. (/me wondering if the same thing would happen with this twt)

Hey @sorenpeter@darch.dk, I’m sorry to tell you, but the prev field in your feed’s headers is invalid. 😅

First, it doesn’t include the hash of the last twt in the archive. Second, and that’s probably more important, it forms an infinite loop: The prev field of your main feed specifies http://darch.dk/twtxt-archive.txt and that file then again specifies http://darch.dk/twtxt-archive.txt. Some clients might choke on this, mine for example. 😂 I’ll push a fix soon, though.

For reference, the prev field is described here: https://dev.twtxt.net/doc/archivefeedsextension.html

It not that easy @xuu@txt.sour.is since I implemented webmentions in a different way that how it have been done in yarnd to work with txt-files. You can find the code in webmention_endpoint.php and new_twt.php at main · sorenpeter/timeline

@shreyan@twtxt.net What do you mean when you say federation protocol?

• Either use webfinger for identity like mastodon etc. or use ATproto from Bluesky (or both?)

• We can use webmentions or create our own twt-mentions for notifying someones feed (WIP code at: https://github.com/sorenpeter/timeline/tree/webmention/views)

I’m not sure we need much else. I would not even bother with encryption since other platforms does that better, and for me twtxt/yarn/timeline is for making things public

Twtxt spec enhancement proposal thread 🧵

Adding attributes to individual twts similar to adding feed attributes in the heading comments.

https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/go-lextwt/pulls/17

The basic use case would be for multilingual feeds where there is a default language and some twts will be written a different language.

As seen in the wild: https://eapl.mx/twtxt.txt

The attributes are formatted as [key=value]

They can show up in the twt anywhere it is not enclosed by another element such as codeblock or part of a markdown link.

@sorenpeter@darch.dk this makes sense as a quote twt that references a direct URL. If we go back to how it developed on twitter originally it was RT @nick: original text because it contained the original text the twitter algorithm would boost that text into trending.

i like the format (#hash) @<nick url> > "Quoted text"\nThen a comment
as it preserves the human read able. and has the hash for linking to the yarn. The comment part could be optional for just boosting the twt.

The only issue i think i would have would be that that yarn could then become a mess of repeated quotes. Unless the client knows to interpret them as multiple users have reposted/boosted the thread.

The format is also how iphone does reactions to SMS messages with +number liked: original SMS

@eapl.me@eapl.me this is interesting. Is the square bracket something used in the wild for multilingual twts?

@prologic@twtxt.net what are your thoughts? Should we extend the parser to handle [lang] and [boost] ? Or a generic attribute spec. Single word is a boolean attribute. And one with an = is a string key/value.

Un twt pour tester mon nouveau client qui doit m’afficher le nombre de twt publiés

I’ve been thinking of how to notify someone else that you’ve replied to their twts.

Is there something already developed, for example on yarn.social?

Let’s say I want to notify https://sour.is/tiktok/America/Denver.txt that I’ve replied to some twt. They don’t follow me back, so they won’t see my reply.

I would send my URL to, could be, https://sour.is/tiktok/replies?url=MY_URL and they’ll check that I have a reply to some of their twts, and could decide to follow me back (after seeing my twtxt profile to avoid spam)

Another option could be having a metadata like
follow-request=https://sour.is/tiktok/America/Denver.txt TIMESTAMP_IN_SECONDS
that the other client has to look for, to ensure that the request comes from that URL (again, to avoid spam)
This could be deleted after the other .txt has your URL in the follow list, or auto-expire after X days to clean-up old requests.

What do you think?

My cli work-apps: note, plan, dlog (daily log), status and twt.

Early morning twt from me

Hmm when I said “Wireguard is kind of cool” in this twt now I’m not so sure 😢 I can’t get “stable tunnels” to freak’n stay up, survive reboots, survive random disconnections, etc. This is nuts 🤦‍♂️

Oh btw all, Fairphone 5 is out https://www.fairphone.com/en/, I remember @jlj@twt.nfld.uk was interested in it! :D

Here it’s 6.40 am. I like to get my twts done early

when is twt.nfld.uk coming back?

Hoy ha sido un día sorprendentemente tranquilo.

Eso es todo el twt.

@prologic@twtxt.net I do, but you didn’t specify in your twt that you needed to use a github account. I copy pasted the ssh command you posted verbatim!

What I see here is that when I was reading your .txt, the timestamp was like 40 minutes later than current time. Say it’s 1pm and that twt is timed on 1.40pm

No idea why, perhaps your server has a wrong Timezone, or your twtxt tool is doing some timezome conversion?

Bueno, después de unos hacks y darme cuenta que me estaba faltando corregir unas cosas en el perfil de @me, ya se cargan correctamente los twts.

Bueno, después de unos hacks y darme cuenta que me estaba faltando corregir unas cosas en el perfil de @me, ya se cargan correctamente los twts.

En https://eapl.mx/twtxt/ curiosamente no se estaban refrescando los URL de Twts y se está perdiendo el inicio de sesión.

Para el refresco, parece que eliminar los archivos ayudó (aunque tengo que revisar mejor).
Para el inicio de sesión es raro. La cookie se mantiene, aunque se ‘borra’ la información.
#lesSeguimosInformando

Y también probando responder a un twt anterior… Veamos si funciona ahora!

@prologic@twtxt.net

Let’s assume for a moment that an answer to a question would be met with so many words you don’t know what the answer was at all. Why? Why do this? Is this a stereotype of academics and philosophers? If so, it’s not a very straight-forward way of thinking, let alone answering a simple question.

Well, I can’t know what’s in these peoples’ minds and hearts. Personally I think it’s a way of dissembling, of sowing doubt, and of maintaining plausible deniability. The strategy is to persuade as many people as possible to change their minds, and then force the remaining people to accept the idea because they think too many other people believe it.

Let’s say you want, for whatever reason, to get a lot of people to accept an idea that you know most people find horrible. The last thing you should do is express the idea clearly and concisely and repeat it over and over again. All you’d accomplish is to cement people’s resistance to you, and label yourself as a person who harbors horrible ideas that they don’t like. So you can’t do that.

What do you do instead? The entire field of “rhetoric”, dating back at least to Plato and Aristotle (400 years BC), is all about this. How to persuade people to accept your idea, even when they resist it. There are way too many techniques to summarize in a twt, but it seems almost obvious that you have to use more words and to use misleading or at least embellished or warped descriptions of things, because that’s the opposite of clearly and concisely expressing yourself, which would directly lead to people rejecting your idea.

That’s how I think of it anyway.

@prologic@twtxt.net I would politely suggest again that we not react to people with bad attitudes who talk shit about yarn. If twt is forked, it should be forked to add features that are otherwise not possible. Not to appease people who will probably never be appeased.