@marado@twtxt.net I call it twittertext and twt is pronounced tweet

@jlj@twt.nfld.uk @xuu@txt.sour.is hello! @prologic@twtxt.net and I were chatting about the question of globally deleting twts from the yarn.social network. @prologic@twtxt.net noted that he could build the tools and endpoints to delete twts, but some amount of cooperation from pod operators would be necessary to make it all work together. He asked me to spawn a discussion of the subject here, so here we are!

I don’t have enough technical knowledge of yarn.social to say with any credibility how it all should work, but I can say that I think it ought to be possible and it’d be good to do for those rare times when it’s needed.

I was inclined to let this go so as not to stir anything up, but after some additional thought I’ve decided to call it out. This twt:

is exactly the kind of ad hominem garbage I came to expect from Twitter™, and I’m disappointed to see it replicated here. Rummaging through someone’s background trying to find a “gotcha” argument to take credibility away from what a person is saying, instead of engaging the ideas directly, is what trolls and bad faith actors do. That’s what the twt above does (falsely, I might add–what’s being claimed is untrue).

If you take issue with something I’ve said, you can mute me, unfollow me, ignore me, use TamperMonkey to turn all my twts into gibberish, engage the ideas directly, etc etc etc. There are plenty of options to make what I said go away. Reading through my links, reading about my organization’s CEO’s background, and trying to use that against me somehow (after misinterpreting it no less)? Besides being unacceptable in a rational discussion, and besides being completely ineffective in stopping me from expressing whatever it is you didn’t like, it’s creepy. Don’t do that.

Probando poner los Twts al inicio

Hello to my english speaking friends! I’m trying to reply to a previous twt from the .txt file.

for some reason its showing the twt from 2 days ago instead of the current value

@novaburst@twt.nfld.uk Ah.. that is probably the XMPP verify code.. it doesnt really work that well. I aught to take it out.

@novaburst@twt.nfld.uk what is it?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Excellent use of old denim, and also excellent use of long-form twt!

I think i would like a display mode that sorts yarns by last twt in yarn and displays only the last twt with the first in the heading if its more than one in length.

@novaburst@twt.nfld.uk I doubt there will ever be a 2.0 … It may end up like java and they strip off the 1.

@screem@yarn.yarnpods.com yah I finally saw all of Dave’s twts and figured he had explained Gog’s/gitea better.

@prologic@twtxt.net interesting. The twt must’ve been deleted, I guess 😂

@benk@kwiecien.us I am using jenny (we chatted a bit on IRC earlier today). I have been using it for over five months now, I think. It is truly a joy to use, specially because you can use the power of Mutt/NeoMutt to read your twts.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de was the request to remove the hash (subject) from showing on twts discarded? I don’t see it on the TODO, so I am curious. Was it something you decided was not worth investing time on?

@prologic@twtxt.net I am seeing a problem in which not-so-active users, such as myself, are ending up having a blank “Recent twts from…” under their profiles because, I assume, the cache long expired. What can be done about it? Business personalities such as myself can’t be around here that often! Could something be implemented so that, say, the last 10 or 20 twts are always visible under one’s profile? Neep-gren!

@fastidious@arrakis.netbros.com +1 …Now just a way to come up with the $20 per twt to store the data.

@fastidious@arrakis.netbros.com Oh But somehow @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org saw the old Twt and replied to that 🤦‍♂️

This is the downside of not fetching often enough or refreshing just in case a feed has changed your replying to hmmm 🤔

An ageing rose cries. My first graphical media twt!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de, is removing the hash from the body of the twt on the TODO? I read it, but I am unsure if it is there already, or not. 🙈 Sorry if it is, and I failed to spot it!

Hmmm so… We seem to have a few pods offline in the network 😂 Also 😢

• @jlj@twt.nfld.uk’s twt.nfld.uk => 504 Gateway Time-out
  
• @adi@f.adi.onl’s f.adi.onl => 200 OK but doens’t appear to be a pod anymore?! 🤔
  
• @eldersnake@yarn.andrewjvpowell.com’s personal pod => offline due to lack of Solar/Battery power? 😅
  
• @lohn@tw.lohn.in’s personal pod => 503 Service Unavailable
  

It’s a bad day for Yarn.social 🤣

Good thing it’s all decentralised 😉

@movq@www.uninformativ.de i believe the delete of any twt was a tech limitation with retwt parser not knowing where in the file a twt came from. lextwt tracks the bytes in file where a twt was read from. which could be used to delete a twt from file.. in theory.

I am in the camp of wishing i could delete arbitrary twts.

👋 Q&A: Let’s discuss the removal of Editing and Deleting your last Twt. This is something @fastidious@twtxt.net has raised to me on IRC and something I find quite a valid approach to this. Over time I believe the utility and value of “Editing” and “Deleting” one’s last Twt isn’t as valuable as we’d like and increased complexity and introduces all kinds of side-effects that are hard to manage correctly. I vote for the removal of this feature from yarnd, the mobile app nor API support this anyway…

@darch@twtxt.net
Getting this when trying to use it:

error executing template timeline: template: timeline:131:43: executing "twt" at <formatForDateTime>: wrong number of args for formatForDateTime: want 2 got 1

@prologic@twtxt.net

I think something has caused my feed to be in a bad state and is now unpardable😥

I can read this on jenny, but the twt isn’t making it to my own pod. Something has gone really wrong, me thinks.

@prologic@twtxt.net Its not FormatText stripping out the lines. That formats with \n newlines so when unmarshalling it tries to parse the text and sees that as the end of twt. LiteralText keeps the newlines as \u2028

@prologic@twtxt.net make the text field twt.LiteralText() instead of twt.FormatText() and you should be good. https://i.imgur.com/FIpSnkj.png

multi.

line.

twt..

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twt

@fastidious@arrakis.netbros.com will reply to this twt, quoting something in it. I will do that same afterwards on his reply.

@jlj@twt.nfld.uk
Yup, jenny. She is so cool! 😋

@movq@www.uninformativ.de
Yes, I did ask whether or not it was possible to move twts to an “archive” folder, but it will be the same at @stackeffect@twtxt.stackeffect.de experienced (which I have, too), that is, twts will “come back”.

There is no clear solution, I am afraid, right? It is the nature of the beast.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de How is deletion supposed to work? In mutt I deleted by D~d>1m and then fetched by !jenny -f. This brings back all deleted twts. Isn’t lastmods used to skip older twts?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de
Aha! Cool! Not just deleting, but proceeding as if the twt is going to be send. If I :q! on vi it will add an empty line. If, instead, I go :x like I normally do, it works as you said—and as I wanted it. Thanks!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de OK, I am on request/question asking mode today. 😋 How do you cancel a twt, or a reply to a twt? Say I hit my reply, and then I change my mind? Right now, even exiting vi is creating an empty line on my twtxt.txt. Is there an obvious way to cancel a twt, reply, or fork that I am missing?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de

If Subject contains the full twt, then you can skim over conversations just by reading those lines in mutt’s index pager

Yes, I do the same, true.

So I decided: Okay, let’s have mutt do it.

And Mutt does it well. I agree it was/is a good idea.

The subject lines are already “compressed”

I noticed, yes.

I am not sure why I asked to begin with; in retrospect, in was a silly request. Perhaps the OCD in me got triggered while viewing rich headers, on a specific twt, when I saw the huge subject line that is, otherwise, always hidden.

Anyway, don’t mind me, move along. 😂

@prologic@twtxt.net
Jenny populates Mutt’s subject with the entire twt. That makes for very, very long subject lines.

@stackeffect@twtxt.stackeffect.de
I am seeing this characters on your twts: )?â\200¨â\200¨. Which client are you using?

@stigatle@twtxt.net
A twtxt client would be nice! Or a very simple cgi script to print twts to web nicely—not a second Yarn, just something to show twts in a pretty form on the web.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de
Fair enough, I will modify my cron job to match. When I come across edited twts, I just delete both knowing jenny will fetch the right one next iteration. I like keeping things tidy. 😊

@movq@www.uninformativ.de what is your cron job repeat time for jenny? Currently I have mine to every minute, and while it allows me to participate fairly quick on conversations it has some drawbacks: it captures every single edited twt, so I end up with seemingly the same twt, but not quite—as it has minor edits, etc. So, “repeats”. Perhaps setting cron to check every 5 minutes or so is best?

Now, if there is going to be some sort of price, which for me equals to profit, then I will twt non-stop until I hit it! 🤣

@jlj@twt.nfld.uk
Just as jlj, that is exactly what I meant. Good point, Lyse!

Apple Event for 18 October 2021, 10:00 PDT, 13:00 EDT begins. Commentary will stream as replies to this twt. I might miss things here and there, as I will also be on a work meeting from 13:00 to 14:00 EDT.

@jlj@twt.nfld.uk
While at it, fix this one too? You have me at netbros.com, but I am somewhere else. 😆

@jlj@twt.nfld.uk
Your avatar is healthy on your pod now. Still doesn’t show well on twtxt.net, but it is just a matter of time now (caching, etc.), it is all good. 🎉

I am noticing that Yarn doesn’t treat “outside” (that is, twts coming from a client other than Yarn) twts hashes right. Two examples:

• https://twtxt.net/twt/mwtnrna
  
• https://twtxt.net/twt/fl5dooq
  

There are many more, but those two will give you the gist. Yarn links the hash to the poster’s twtxt.txt, so conversation matching will not work.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Unless you are stripping stuff on your twts, there is no much to implement. Things will be bold , italics , underlined , and so on, on a client that can render them. Since jenny uses Mutt, I can use my own regex in it to color them as I like. That’s pretty much it.