@zvava@twtxt.net By hashing definition, if you edit your message, it simply becomes a new message. It’s just not the same message anymore. At least from a technical point of view. As a human, personally I disagree, but that’s what I’m stuck with. There’s no reliable way to detect and “correct” for that.

Storing the hash in your database doesn’t prevent you from switching to another hashing implementation later on. As of now, message creation timestamps earlier than some magical point in time use twt hash v1, messages on or after that magical timestamp use twt hash v2. So, a message either has a v1 or a v2 hash, but not both. At least one of them is never meaningful.

Once you “upgrade” your database schema, you can check for stored messages from the future which should have been hashed using v2, but were actually v1-hashed and simply fix them.

If there will ever be another addressing scheme, you could reuse the existing hash column if it supersedes the v1/v2 hashes. Otherwise, a new column might be useful, or perhaps no column at all (looking at location-based addressing or how it was called). The old v1/v2 hashes are still needed for all past conversation trees.

In my opinion, always recalculating the hashes is a big waste of time and energy. But if it serves you well, then go for it.

@zvava@twtxt.net The problem you now then is you lose integrity of the message content if you compute the hashes at runtime rather than on the way in. So if your message content or database becomes corrupt in any way, so do your hashes.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org while caching those is a good idea the problem is baking data that can be calculated into the database instead of some cache, because post hashes are not fixed and change for every post edit. you can always easily look up other twts by hash with a cached lookup table, but now you’re not locked into them so supporting hashv2 or other hash variants or any other solution becomes far easier

@shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe The CSS 404ing highlights the improvability of the content to noise ratio. :-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de The asshats are everywhere. Luckily, it has been rather quiet so far. But of course, I now jinxed it.

@shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe Very cool! 😎

@shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe Nice! 👍

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Thanks! 🙏

@prologic@twtxt.net This is a really cool project, that’s for sure. 👌

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org … I was about to write “it really is worse where you live”, then I heard the first bang out on the street. 🤣

@shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe Nah it’s more like there’s a lot of repeated code, because when you go from source language to intermediate representation to machine code, well you just end up writing a lot of the same patterns over and over again. I need to dedupe this I think.

@kiwu@twtxt.net Ooof 😢 That’s rough!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I’ve managed to bring a simple “Hello World!” in mu (µ) (at least on macOS / Darwin / ARM64) down to ~86KB (previously ~146KB) 🥳

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I think I can get binaries even smaller with a bit more work and effort 🤔 But yeah still working on the native code generation (at least for macOS targets)

@prologic@twtxt.net Oh! 🤔

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oh that’s fine, Mu can compile to native code and so far binaries. at least on macOS are in the order of Kb in size 😂

@prologic@twtxt.net That might be a challenge, at least in 16-bit Real Mode: The OS follows the model of COM files on DOS, i.e. the size of the binary cannot exceed 64 KiB and heap+stack of the running program will have to fit into that same 64 KiB. 😅 (The memory layout is very rigid, each process gets such a 64 KiB slice.)

And in 64-bit Long Mode, there is no “kernel” yet. The thing in the video is literally just a small bare-metal program.

But some day, maybe. 😃

@movq@www.uninformativ.de It’d be cool if you could get µ (Mu) running in your little toyOS 🤣 You’d technically only have to swap out the syscall() builtin for whatever your toy OS supports 🤔

@thecanine@twtxt.net I see 🤔 Very cool though! 😎

@prologic@twtxt.net Not even entirely sure how I did it myself, but likely a lucky combination of the new tail swirl, the legs closer to the screen being bigger and the head looking slightly to the side (eye & ear position), with bottom part of the hair, going behind the snout. The white is just an outline, around most of my works, so I don’t think that plays a part.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @prologic@twtxt.net Holy shit, this is sooo fucking cool! :-) Wow, I absolutely love it. It’s extremely fascinating what these optimizers do.

Woof, woof, @thecanine@twtxt.net! That’s cute.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I have not, thanks! <3

@prologic@twtxt.net @movq@www.uninformativ.de Oh, I take my 0°C over the 36°C anytime! Even with yesterday’s gray and windy sleet in my face. However, there are definitely more pleasant times to walk in town, I’ll give you that. For example on 0°C sunny today: https://lyse.isobeef.org/waldspaziergang-2025-12-25/

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I watched a few of these thanks to you! Very cool shit™ 😎

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Ooof that’s chilly 🥶

@prologic@twtxt.net And I froze my ass off yesterday at -5°C and strong winds. 🤣

@dce@hashnix.club merry Christmas to you too!

@thecanine@twtxt.net Is it because you’ve used white pixels around it to sort of give it aht 3D look? 👀 Hmm? 🤔

@bender@twtxt.net It’s fun living in the future isn’t it 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net merry Christmas! I keep forgetting you live in our future. 😅

This one is a slightly more 3D looking, as well as the first one, with the tail swirled.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Hahaha, this is hilarious! :‘-D

@prologic@twtxt.net 🎄 Merry Christmas and stuff 😅🎅

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Lovely! We also just had some snow. 😃 Not a lot, but still. 😅

(Lol, I totally read that as “rootfs”. 🤪)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Only the roofs are a little white. It’s also windy here. https://lyse.isobeef.org/weisse-weihnachten-2025-12-24/01.jpg

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Oooh, nice! ⛄ We only have cold stormy weather over here. 🥴

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Thanks. 😅 (Do I say that? The WM can’t answer. 🤣)

@zvava@twtxt.net I might misunderstand what you wrote, but only hashing the message once and storing the hash together with the message in the database seems a way better approch to me. It’s fixed and doesn’t change, so there’s no need to recompute it during runtime over and over and over again. You just have it. And can easily look up other messages by hash.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Maybe there’s another meaning I’m not aware of, but this doesn’t look like a shitpost to me. Congrats, I guess. ;-)

@prologic@twtxt.net I’ve been awake at that time, didn’t notice anything. 🤔 Where was that BGP analyzer again … 😅 There’s a tool that keeps track of these things, right? I forgot what it was.

@prologic@twtxt.net @movq@www.uninformativ.de A crocodile had bitten the big submarine internet cable that connects Australia to Europe. The investigations revealed that some construction work last week accidentally tore up the protective layer around it. That went unnoticed, unfortunately, so marine life had an easy job today. For just 40 minutes, they were quite fast in repairing the damage if you ask me! These communication cables are fricking large.

Just kidding, I completely made that up. :-D I didn’t notice any outage either. But I didn’t try to connect to Down Under at the time span in question.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de From 2:50 PM to 3:23 PM AEST (+10 UTC) there was an outage. Everything went “up” on Down Detector, my EU region went offline, numerous sites were unavailable, and so on. Basically everything to/from the EU appeared to basically go kaput.

@prologic@twtxt.net Hm, I didn’t notice anything. Perhaps I was asleep? 😅

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Very nice! I often wish other languages had something similar. Sometimes, I use lambdas, but that also looks ugly and feels a bit like a misuse. Other times, just the normal blocks are enough, but it’s not the same. Especially with the mutability aspects as the article explains. Typically, I just put it in a function or ignore it if it’s just a few lines.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Ah, cool! :-) Yeah, it’s very wild what is happening under the hood all the time.

@prologic@twtxt.net You write so much code … it’s incredible. 😅

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org These tables get shuffled around every time your OS switches to another process. It’s crazy that so much is going on behind the scenes.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I was surprised by that as well. 😅 I thought these were features that you can use, but no, you must do all this.

By the way, I now fixed the issue that I mentioned at the end and it works on the netbook now. 🥳

https://www.uninformativ.de/blog/postings/2025-12-21/0/netbook.jpg

Wow, @movq@www.uninformativ.de, so many tables. No idea what I expected (I’m totally clueless on this low-level stuff), but that was quite an interesting surprise to me. https://www.uninformativ.de/blog/postings/2025-12-21/0/POSTING-en.html