@movq@www.uninformativ.de Hahaha. It could have been worse, though. I’ve heard stories from others that were many levels crazier than what I experienced. And I’m glad that I was very, very lucky with almost all of my teachers throughout all of school. One of my maths teacher, who was also my computer science teacher then, is the reason I do what I do for a living. It’s all his fault! ;-)

Ja, possibly a BaWü thing. The ministry of education and cultural affairs changes the rules, curriculums and details every one or two years, anyway.

Said teacher had to fight real hard that he was allowed to teach CS in class 12 and 13. As a real subject, that is, not just an extracurricular activity („AG“). At first, the ministry refused, because we’re just am „allgemeinbildendes Gmyi“, not an „informationstechnisches Gymi“. It’s insane, you’ve got super motivated (and technically as well as humanly excellent) teachers and then forbid them to offer a class. What the hell!? (Fun fact on top, he had a doctor in CS and was also teaching at the university of applied sciences.)

Eventually, they granted permission to only have a two hours a week class („zweistündig, wie Nebenfach“). One or two years later – too late for me, unfortunately – they allowed four hours a week („vierstündig, wie Hauptfach“). But each pupil had to sign upfont that they will not take CS class in the Abi. That was still exclusive to ITGs only. Completely ridiculous.

I reckon, you can talk to any random teacher and they will endlessly tell you about very dubious decicions from the ministry. :-/

@bender@twtxt.net Fine, Let me answer properly and concretely 😅

Would you want your children not to learn anything, because “they have AI”?

No, children still need to learn. That will never change. What they learn however will over time.

Are you OK with your children using the AI for all of their homework?

Yes, frankly I am. Why? Because much of what we teach them in school is utterly pointless.
For example, learning to read Shakespear never taught me anything useful in my life. I regret much of my school years to be honest.
I leanred to read and write, sure. But I learned Math, Science, Computing and how things work on my own by being very curious.

What sense will it make?

That assumes I answered “no”, which I did not. So it all makes perfect sense :D

What kind of future would that bring for them?

This assumes I said “Yes”, which I did :D It will be an itneresting future that’s for sure. I don’t think we can just bury our heads in teh sand and pretend it’s all going to go away, It will not. It will make things very interesting for sure, as we’re already starting to see what’s possible and what’s changeing. For example; ordinary people are using these LLM(s) to write their legal suit and defense in courts with varying levels of success.

Even if AI were to become omniscient, what will it be of the human race then?

I’m not convinced it ever will. In fact, I am not convinced we know how to create true intellience at all.

What would we do?

What would be so different from say an Alien invasion from far superious beings?
What would we do that? Band together and defend humanity?

Serve the AI? Maintain the AI?

That assumes that “AI” will become intelligent and omniscient, which I don’t believe it ever will.

Would we have found the true meaning of life then?

If the meaning of life is to create our own sub-species liken to ourselves, sure, maybe. But is that even a reality? not sure, I doubt it. We barely understand ourselves at the best of times, let alone how our minds works.

To care for AI, Is that it?

How would this be different to caring for a friend, a family member If we could ever truly reate an actual sentient being with real feelings and intelligenace, is there any reason to worry? Could we not be freinds and have mutual goals and form relationships?

@prologic@twtxt.net well, it isn’t rocket science, is it? 😅 Yet, without using the hashes and starting to follow people, it is very, very rudimentary. I know, I know, there were a couple of years during which people lived just fine without those. Yet, once you get used to certain things, there is no going back.

@kingdomcome@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Oh, that brings back memories! I’ve played minetest one and half centuries ago. Some classmates and I tried to recreate our computer science building at the time. The proportions didn’t work out, but it still kinda worked. Minetest was one of the very few games I played a bit more extensively.

70% of people are paranoid and believe paranoid ideas. Thats my idea. Use your brain, study history and science and talk with other people, who have not your ideas.

That’s some cool science in @xuu@txt.sour.is’s backyard: https://youtu.be/bzBcs0jv9G4

@prologic@twtxt.net AI is slot machines for coders:

• “Before starting tasks, developers forecast that allowing AI will reduce completion time by 24%. After completing the study, developers estimate that allowing AI reduced completion time by 20%. Surprisingly, we find that allowing AI actually increases completion time by 19%–AI tooling slowed developers down.” https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/
  
• “Stack Overflow data reveals the hidden productivity tax of ‘almost right’ AI code”: https://venturebeat.com/ai/stack-overflow-data-reveals-the-hidden-productivity-tax-of-almost-right-ai-code
  

The same intermittent reward operant conditioning that gets people addicted to gambling and thinking that if they follow certain rituals they’ll win “next time” drives people’s beliefs that AI tools are making them more productive when they’re making them less productive. I’m going to guess that a side effect of this is that people think they’re typing less when in the longer term they’re typing the same amount or more when you factor in the productivity loss (as far as I’ve read the studies don’t measure this so I’m only guessing).

People are also being rapidly de-skilled by this technology: the more they use it, the more their actual skills atrophy. “Continuous exposure to AI might reduce the ADR (adesoma detection rate) of standard non-AI assisted colonoscopy, suggesting a negative effect on endoscopist behaviour.” (science speak for saying that radiologists get worse at seeing tumors in scans once they’ve used AI): https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langas/article/PIIS2468-1253(25)00133-5/abstract

Nobody who cares about the future should be using this stuff for anything.

Science is proper complete dokumentstion of things, that hsppened onlx

Science is pure empericism.

@bender@twtxt.net Absolutely. My computer science teacher was really great and in a lot of aspects very similar. Especially combining the theoretical and practical parts. He’s also the main reason I ended up where I am today. I’m very grateful to him. Mr. Burger, however, takes this on a whole new level.

@prologic@twtxt.net What I meant, is that I will not say that someone is not really a writer, if they choose to have what they wrote, ran through some spelling and sentence structure checker, like the one included in MS Word, the average phone keyboard, or on reverso.net - given that they look over the output and make sure the corrections make sense.

Similarly, I won’t complain much, if someone uses AI, to remove backgrounds from images, where the AI can preform this task, as well as a human would and makes sure to check it afterwards, or use ai as a way to sort large quantities of images - usually done for science. An example of this, would be having terabytes of plant photos, from some cities camera system and having an AI analyse them, in an attempt to detect notable changes, like mold, parasites, or the plants needing more water.

@xuu@txt.sour.is a Star Wars series, eh? Never been a fan. I am Trekkie instead; it comes across as more science fiction, less fantasy. Still, I would see it if only we had Disney+. 😩

The Lasting Lessons of John Conway’s #GameOfLife: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/28/science/math-conway-game-of-life.html

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When #AIs do science, it will be strange and incomprehensible: https://aeon.co/essays/when-ais-do-science-it-will-be-strange-and-incomprehensible

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@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I am surprised our King hasn’t shut it down already. After all, science is woke. /s

Cool, Hubble turns 35 today! https://science.nasa.gov/missions/hubble/nasa-celebrates-hubbles-35th-year-in-orbit/ Happy birthday little space telescope and thanks for all the lovely photos! :-)

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📖 Logic and Science: https://philpapers.org/go.pl?aid=FERLAS-7

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yeah! I’ve passed the critical point at factorio… I managed to automate blue science, trains and oil production… now it’s a great fun again…

The US Assault on Science: National Academies Letter
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@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org /Me throws his keyboard off to the side, grabs his camera just in case and runs upstairs screaming “Yeah! Science B_ !”

Chouette projet de #jeu pour mieux estimer l’énergie #science https://vulgarisation.fr/projet/1000_ppp/

Hamming’s The Art of Doing Science and Engineering is definitely up on my reading list.

pour faire mes cours, le générateur de grisse bouille est magique. https://framalab.org/gknd-creator/ . je découvre que je peux héberger le code source https://si3t.ch/tools/comicgen/. Reste donc à y déposer les images modèles qui me plaisent pour crréer des cours de sciences. Et bien évidemment, je ne peux m’empêcher de penser à <@peha@framapiaf.org> 👼

Hello twtxt! I’m James (or @falsifian@www.falsifian.org). I live in Toronto. Recent interests include space complexity, simple software, and science fiction.

Será que esse github de ciência vai colar? https://venturebeat.com/ai/briefly-bio-raises-1-2m-to-build-the-github-of-science-experiments/

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Somewhere or another, I think in a William Byrd talk, I heard it suggested that the best ideas in computer science should fit on an index card (ah yes it’s this one: https://paperswelove.org/2017/video/will-byrd-most-beautiful-program/ ). He was referring to the basic principles of LISP/the lambda calculus, which have sometimes been called the Maxwell’s equations of computer programming (by Alan Kay). Simple, short, elegant, but very densely packed with meaning–generations of people have spent their whole careers unpacking what those simple rules can do.

Much of modern software feels like the polar opposite of that. Not only can you not write it on an index card, you never will be able to because people who write software don’t seem to aspire to try. I wish more people thought this way though!

This reminds me of this video: The Biggest Gap in Science: Complexity

However you might end up with more questions (complexity?) than answers (simplicity?)

It’s been 10 years since the movie adaptation of Big Hero 6 was released and 3 years since the TV spinoff ended. And I’m still annoyed that Disney didn’t take the opportunity to turn the show into Bill Nye the Science Guy with crimefighting: highlighting a real scientific concept in each episode and using it to stop the villain of the hour.

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Un peu de dessert en physique chimie https://si3t.ch/log/2023-11-15-un-peu-de-dessert-physique-chimie.txt #education #sciences

@New_scientist@feeds.twtxt.net No, Google does not predict this. “Google AI” has been self-promoting like this for decades. Remember when they used to brag that they could predict the onset of flu season weeks before it started? That silently went away because they got it badly wrong many times and people caught on to how bad their “predictions” actually were.

They can’t stop themselves. Anything about AI coming out of big tech companies these days is marketing, not real, and certainly not science.

I used to be a big fan of a service called cocalc, which you could also self host. It was kind of an integrated math, data science, research, writing, and teaching platform.

I hadn’t run it in awhile, and when I checked in with it today I found their web site brags that cocalc is now “extensively integrated with ChatGPT”.

Which means I can’t use it anymore, and frankly anyone doing anything serious shouldn’t use it either. Very disappointing.