@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt I’ve just given it a try on android/termux and got it to work, I can’t promise it won’t break something else (because i definitely don’t know what I’m doing) but here’s what I broke 😅:

~/src/jenny $ git diff
diff --git a/jenny b/jenny
index ada8da2..8ae9a06 100755
--- a/jenny
+++ b/jenny
@@ -1194,7 +1194,7 @@ if __name__ == '__main__':
     if args.edit:
	edit_twt_file(app)
     elif args.fetch:
-        with DirectoryLock(f'/tmp/jenny-{getuser()}.run'):
+        with DirectoryLock(expanduser('~/tmp/jenny-{getuser()}.run')):
             retrieve_all(app)
     elif args.last_seen:
	 print('Feeds last seen at (times are local time), oldest first:')

and of course make sure you mkdir ~/tmp

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Sorry I meant twet 🤦‍♂️

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt twt probably isn’t the best client I’m afraid. It doesn’t really cache twts by their key (hash) to display threads properly. Jenny however does 👌

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Thanks! I’ve almost come up with my own theme already 🤣 I actually don’t really want to use Hugo at all, I find it too complicated. But it is pretty popular so I thought maybe I’d rip-off a nice theme… Hmmm 🧐

Anyway, What I really normally use for a lot of my static sites is zs

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt see jenny.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt I am not sure I am understanding what you mean. Can you explain?

👋 Thanks for joining us on our Sept monthly Yarn.social meetup today y’all 🙇‍♂️ We had @david@collantes.us @sorenpeter@darch.dk @doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt @falsifian@www.falsifian.org and @xuu@txt.sour.is 💪 Nice turn out! (not all at once of course, as we normally run this over 4 hours as we span many time zones!)

Things we talked about:

• Decentralised vs. Distributed
  
• Use of SHA256 for Twt Hash(es)
  
• We solved Edits! 🥳
  
• UUID(s) probably won’t work! (susceptible to sppofing)
  
• Helped @sorenpeter@darch.dk write some PHP to process/parse User-Agent and service his feed via a custom PHP script 😅
  
• @falsifian@www.falsifian.org introduced himself 👌
  
• Talked about Merkle Trees 🌳
  

Did I miss anything? 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net YES James, it should be up to the client to deal with changes like edits and deletions. And putting this load on the clients, location-addressing with make this a lot easier since what is says it: Look in this file at this timestamp, did anything change or went missing? (And then threading will not break;)

@bender@twtxt.net It’s the experience of an ordinary person in a strange place where memories are disappearing with the help of the Memory Police. The setting feels contemporary (to the book’s 1994 publication date) rather than futuristic, except for some unexplained stuff about memories.

@prologic@twtxt.net

See https://dev.twtxt.net

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. I like that collection and “twtxt v2” feels like a departure.

Maybe there’s an advantage to grouping it into one spec, but IMO that shouldn’t be done at the same time as introducing new untested ideas.

See https://yarn.social (especially this section: https://yarn.social/#self-host) – It really doesn’t get much simpler than this 🤣

Again, I like this existing simplicity. (I would even argue you don’t need the metadata.)

That page says “For the best experience your client should also support some of the Twtxt Extensions…” but it is clear you don’t need to. I would like it to stay that way, and publishing a big long spec and calling it “twtxt v2” feels like a departure from that. (I think the content of the document is valuable; I’m just carping about how it’s being presented.)

More thoughts about changes to twtxt (as if we haven’t had enough thoughts):

1. There are lots of great ideas here! Is there a benefit to putting them all into one document? Seems to me this could more easily be a bunch of separate efforts that can progress at their own pace:
   

1a. Better and longer hashes.

1b. New possibly-controversial ideas like edit: and delete: and location-based references as an alternative to hashes.

1c. Best practices, e.g. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

1d. Stuff already described at dev.twtxt.net that doesn’t need any changes.

1. We won’t know what will and won’t work until we try them. So I’m inclined to think of this as a bunch of draft ideas. Maybe later when we’ve seen it play out it could make sense to define a group of recommended twtxt extensions and give them a name.

2. Another reason for 1 (above) is: I like the current situation where all you need to get started is these two short and simple documents:
   https://twtxt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/twtxtfile.html
   https://twtxt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/discoverability.html
   and everything else is an extension for anyone interested. (Deprecating non-UTC times seems reasonable to me, though.) Having a big long “twtxt v2” document seems less inviting to people looking for something simple. (@prologic@twtxt.net you mentioned an anonymous comment “you’ve ruined twtxt” and while I don’t completely agree with that commenter’s sentiment, I would feel like twtxt had lost something if it moved away from having a super-simple core.)

3. All that being said, these are just my opinions, and I’m not doing the work of writing software or drafting proposals. Maybe I will at some point, but until then, if you’re actually implementing things, you’re in charge of what you decide to make, and I’m grateful for the work.

@prologic@twtxt.net Done. Also, I went ahead and made two changes: changed hexadecimal to base64 for hashes (wasn’t sure if anyone objected), and changed “MUST follow the chain” to “SHOULD follow the chain.

@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks for pointing out it lasts four hours. That’s a big window! I wonder when most people will be on. I might aim for halfway through unless I hear otherwise. (12:00Z is a bit early for me.)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org It’s from 12pm to 4pm UTC so if you can make it at all, that’d be great 👍

@bender@twtxt.net So…

() @xuu@txt.sour.is wrote:

”@bender I am also in camp no edit signals. deletes only breaks the head of a thread. all the replies are unaffected.”

I figure I could also answer every single twtxt like this, so that if the original gets edited, or deleted, at least I don’t sound foolish without knowing exactly what I replied to. 🤭

It Sounds like a good idea! should that be limited to just direct replays or can it be extended to replays to other replays, that way and With just the right amount of chain-replays, we’ll be RRrrrrrevolutionizing the way people Mailing Lists like, in no time! xD

P.S: Just a reminder! I’ve already told you not to mind my twts for the next couple of hours, right!

@bender@twtxt.net HAHA I’ve just bookmarked that Repo to go through it tomorrow 👌

@bender@twtxt.net I am also in camp no edit signals. deletes only breaks the head of a thread. all the replies are unaffected.

@3r1c@3r1c.net Woa! I love this blog’s format! _ it’s just perfect for reading from terminal…

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org that sounds truly idyllic! 🤭

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org HAHA Nice one!

@bender@twtxt.net Well Matt should definitely get better Lawyers/PR people who could slap em’ on the wrest and tell “NO!” before he does something childish and effs things up. As for WPE, I believe a billion dollar company should be able to afford investing in their own infrastructure, hosting their resources, deploying their own CDNs and what not instead of leaching on Wordpress (’s infrastructure) for free (as in free coffee) + The Stripe thing they did is so disgusting given the circumstances, I don’t even want to talk about it.

Things could/should’ve been handled better, now it’s just another sh…rimp show.

@stigatle@yarn.stigatle.no You too buddy, have a good one!

@prologic@twtxt.net here… Get the same impression about the dude as everyone else and then (get the other side of the story, although it is a mess)[https://invidious.privacyredirect.com/watch?v=Gd8h_6vYPJ8] … Theeeeen, don’t give an Eff’ about any of it. 🤣

@david@collantes.us and WPE are saints, right? 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net yeah, that’s what I said, and linked. Want more?

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt nah man! you’re not tricking me into answering that one 🤣🤣🤣

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Are you sure? Not seen the mail yet…

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Ooops you might want to re-send that to james instead 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net does that include mine? otherwise it would make them 8 and 5, maybe even throw off your maths by 0.00001% 😆 … and, come on! 1.04% seems like a good ratio considering how many gopher holes and gem capsules compared to how many Web servers out there in the world 😂

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt My Salty public key is:

kex1fhxntuc0av7q48hlfj970ve297dzzghn82wp5cahr9r92y8rlrqqtwp983

@xuu@txt.sour.is they can take 2% of your disk space/bandwidth and rent it to the highest bidder 🤥

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Do you have a sample Caddy log file you can supply? I’ll see if we can improve the tool 👌

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Fot a sample access log? Which tool are you using?

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt I couldn’t find any references to this anywhere either.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Like now?

@bender@twtxt.net I believe it is Unix-Unix Copy Protocol. Not Unix Copy-Copy Protocol.

@bender@twtxt.net Re that broken thread (#bqor23a). Its the same one. My pod doesn’t have the Root Twt: https://twtxt.net/twt/bqor23a => 404 Not Found.

How in the hell did you even reply to this in the first place?

@quark@ferengi.one HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 🤣

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com ooooh! It’s that kind mission! /me stands, salutes, turns around, and exits the room. LOL.

@quark@ferengi.one HAHA I wish! but no. It’s actually

Image

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com why, having a party with lots of libations? LOL.

@prologic@twtxt.net that “little database that could” is simply amazing, isn’t it? I run Conduwuit (nevermind, this one is RocksDB), and GoToSocial using it as a backend, no issues. And, of course, sqlite is the database of choice for a lot of things under iOS.

@david@collantes.us SQLite

@prologic@twtxt.net, are you running Gitea with an SQL backend, or using sqlite? Any reason have haven’t moved to Forgejo?

@prologic@twtxt.net a wise plan! Who knows, ideas change, and often plans do not hash, right? Mature, mature! :-)

@xuu@txt.sour.is was that 2% picked out randomly? I like it! LOL.

@prologic@twtxt.net I like the, allegedly, original:

“It can scarcely be denied that the supreme goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate representation of a single datum of experience.”

Not as simple as the interpretation you used, yet often context is king (or queen).

@prologic@twtxt.net and one could say that “for every simple problem, there is a solution that’s confusing, convoluted, and right.” :-P

@prologic@twtxt.net so, where are they? I want to take a peek at HomeTunnel (even though I don’t a use case for it at the moment). Show us repos! :-P

@david@collantes.us yeah what @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org said. 😅 and I just chickened out seeing bigger numbers than usual.