@off_grid_living@twtxt.net I gave it a try, unfortunately it’s a scanned document (just a bundle of Images), the only real text in there, is the first two pages.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I’d love it if you write up a page for jenny 🙏 at https://twtxt.dev 🤞

@prologic@twtxt.net I got tricked tow times in row 🥲

@fastidious@tilde.town Wait! I do know you! 😅

@fastidious@tilde.town Yeah, I gave it a try, now I’ll just wait. BTW, Your Nick rings a bell! I probably do remember it from reading old twts 👋 Happy getting to you here!

@prologic@twtxt.net I think printf is a more portable option than echo -e for interpreting \t as tab. E.g. printf ‘%s\t%s\t%s’ “$url” “$time” “$text”. In general I always prefer printf over echo for anything non-trivial in unix shell scripts. See last paragraph of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_(command)#History

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com easy as cake to get and
account here. Very reliable too!

@bender@twtxt.net Yes! tilde.town is next on my list if I don’t get a response in… too long.

@bender@twtxt.net I can always edit my twt and correct my Oopsie xD Would that make him happier?

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org You are correct, but I ended up switching to /data/data/com.termux/files/usr/tmp as suggested by @doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt in (#66py4ja). there must have been a reason why that file was placed in /tmp/ in the first place, I just don’t know my way around python that much to figure it out 😅.

@sorenpeter@darch.dk oh, I thought we were settled on TABs for a while now, weren’t we? 🤔 The new website mentions TABs too. The command echo -e (on any shell?) will use \t for them.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org what are you building now? The things you are mentioning I couldn’t even start wrapping my head around them! 😅 They sure sound expensive, tough.

Thanks @david@collantes.us, good to know, but we need to agree on what character we use, otherwise the hashes will not be the same:)

@sorenpeter@darch.dk a TAB is simply \t. Just add it to that echo line, and that’s it.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com You could just remove the {getuser()} part because you added ~.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt No.

iirc in twtxt v2 it starts prohibited

This is not true. There are no issues supporting fetching feeds via Gemini/Gopher. This is totally fine. What will likely happen is “recommendations” and “drawbacks of using Gemini/Gopher”

@prologic@twtxt.net Regarding the new way of generating twt-hashes, to me it makes more sense to use tabs as separator instead of spaces, since the you can just copy/past a line directly from a twtxt-file that already go a tab between timestamp and message. But tabs might be hard to “type” when you are in a terminal, since it will activate autocomplete…🤔

Another thing, it seems that you sugget we only use the domain in the hash-creation and not the full path to the twtxt.txt

$ echo -e "https://example.com 2024-09-29T13:30:00Z Hello World!" | sha256sum - | awk '{ print $1 }' | base64 | head -c 12

@off_grid_living@twtxt.net is it locked because of a DRM thing or something else?

Otherwise you can check if you already have the pdftotext command that comes with the poppler-utils package, try converting converting the pdf into a text file and copy to your heart’s content. I have just tried it myself.

If you don’t have it already here’s what you can do on Ubuntu or any Debian based distribution of Linux:

• Update and upgrade your packages:
  > sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
  
• Install the poppler-utils package
  > sudo apt install poppler-utils
  
• Now you can convert your pdf to txt file with:
  > pdftotxt -layout -enc UTF-8 name_of_source_file.pdf name_of_destination_file.txt
  

You can always do a pdftotxt --help to see the rest of possible options.
Hope this helps.

@off_grid_living@twtxt.net mind sharing the PDF, to take a look? Some PDF containing text as images, which makes it more difficult to complete the task you want to perform.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt am I understanding correctly that you do not have a desktop/laptop computer, but a pocket Android based one?

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt that was a quick and dirty thing I wanted to try 😄 but of course, you can point it wherever you believe it should.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt I’ve just given it a try on android/termux and got it to work, I can’t promise it won’t break something else (because i definitely don’t know what I’m doing) but here’s what I broke 😅:

~/src/jenny $ git diff
diff --git a/jenny b/jenny
index ada8da2..8ae9a06 100755
--- a/jenny
+++ b/jenny
@@ -1194,7 +1194,7 @@ if __name__ == '__main__':
     if args.edit:
	edit_twt_file(app)
     elif args.fetch:
-        with DirectoryLock(f'/tmp/jenny-{getuser()}.run'):
+        with DirectoryLock(expanduser('~/tmp/jenny-{getuser()}.run')):
             retrieve_all(app)
     elif args.last_seen:
	 print('Feeds last seen at (times are local time), oldest first:')

and of course make sure you mkdir ~/tmp

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Sorry I meant twet 🤦‍♂️

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt twt probably isn’t the best client I’m afraid. It doesn’t really cache twts by their key (hash) to display threads properly. Jenny however does 👌

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Thanks! I’ve almost come up with my own theme already 🤣 I actually don’t really want to use Hugo at all, I find it too complicated. But it is pretty popular so I thought maybe I’d rip-off a nice theme… Hmmm 🧐

Anyway, What I really normally use for a lot of my static sites is zs

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt see jenny.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt I am not sure I am understanding what you mean. Can you explain?

👋 Thanks for joining us on our Sept monthly Yarn.social meetup today y’all 🙇‍♂️ We had @david@collantes.us @sorenpeter@darch.dk @doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt @falsifian@www.falsifian.org and @xuu@txt.sour.is 💪 Nice turn out! (not all at once of course, as we normally run this over 4 hours as we span many time zones!)

Things we talked about:

• Decentralised vs. Distributed
  
• Use of SHA256 for Twt Hash(es)
  
• We solved Edits! 🥳
  
• UUID(s) probably won’t work! (susceptible to sppofing)
  
• Helped @sorenpeter@darch.dk write some PHP to process/parse User-Agent and service his feed via a custom PHP script 😅
  
• @falsifian@www.falsifian.org introduced himself 👌
  
• Talked about Merkle Trees 🌳
  

Did I miss anything? 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net YES James, it should be up to the client to deal with changes like edits and deletions. And putting this load on the clients, location-addressing with make this a lot easier since what is says it: Look in this file at this timestamp, did anything change or went missing? (And then threading will not break;)

@bender@twtxt.net It’s the experience of an ordinary person in a strange place where memories are disappearing with the help of the Memory Police. The setting feels contemporary (to the book’s 1994 publication date) rather than futuristic, except for some unexplained stuff about memories.

@prologic@twtxt.net

See https://dev.twtxt.net

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. I like that collection and “twtxt v2” feels like a departure.

Maybe there’s an advantage to grouping it into one spec, but IMO that shouldn’t be done at the same time as introducing new untested ideas.

See https://yarn.social (especially this section: https://yarn.social/#self-host) – It really doesn’t get much simpler than this 🤣

Again, I like this existing simplicity. (I would even argue you don’t need the metadata.)

That page says “For the best experience your client should also support some of the Twtxt Extensions…” but it is clear you don’t need to. I would like it to stay that way, and publishing a big long spec and calling it “twtxt v2” feels like a departure from that. (I think the content of the document is valuable; I’m just carping about how it’s being presented.)

More thoughts about changes to twtxt (as if we haven’t had enough thoughts):

1. There are lots of great ideas here! Is there a benefit to putting them all into one document? Seems to me this could more easily be a bunch of separate efforts that can progress at their own pace:
   

1a. Better and longer hashes.

1b. New possibly-controversial ideas like edit: and delete: and location-based references as an alternative to hashes.

1c. Best practices, e.g. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

1d. Stuff already described at dev.twtxt.net that doesn’t need any changes.

1. We won’t know what will and won’t work until we try them. So I’m inclined to think of this as a bunch of draft ideas. Maybe later when we’ve seen it play out it could make sense to define a group of recommended twtxt extensions and give them a name.

2. Another reason for 1 (above) is: I like the current situation where all you need to get started is these two short and simple documents:
   https://twtxt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/twtxtfile.html
   https://twtxt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/discoverability.html
   and everything else is an extension for anyone interested. (Deprecating non-UTC times seems reasonable to me, though.) Having a big long “twtxt v2” document seems less inviting to people looking for something simple. (@prologic@twtxt.net you mentioned an anonymous comment “you’ve ruined twtxt” and while I don’t completely agree with that commenter’s sentiment, I would feel like twtxt had lost something if it moved away from having a super-simple core.)

3. All that being said, these are just my opinions, and I’m not doing the work of writing software or drafting proposals. Maybe I will at some point, but until then, if you’re actually implementing things, you’re in charge of what you decide to make, and I’m grateful for the work.

@prologic@twtxt.net Done. Also, I went ahead and made two changes: changed hexadecimal to base64 for hashes (wasn’t sure if anyone objected), and changed “MUST follow the chain” to “SHOULD follow the chain.

@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks for pointing out it lasts four hours. That’s a big window! I wonder when most people will be on. I might aim for halfway through unless I hear otherwise. (12:00Z is a bit early for me.)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org It’s from 12pm to 4pm UTC so if you can make it at all, that’d be great 👍

@bender@twtxt.net So…

() @xuu@txt.sour.is wrote:

”@bender I am also in camp no edit signals. deletes only breaks the head of a thread. all the replies are unaffected.”

I figure I could also answer every single twtxt like this, so that if the original gets edited, or deleted, at least I don’t sound foolish without knowing exactly what I replied to. 🤭

It Sounds like a good idea! should that be limited to just direct replays or can it be extended to replays to other replays, that way and With just the right amount of chain-replays, we’ll be RRrrrrrevolutionizing the way people Mailing Lists like, in no time! xD

P.S: Just a reminder! I’ve already told you not to mind my twts for the next couple of hours, right!

@bender@twtxt.net HAHA I’ve just bookmarked that Repo to go through it tomorrow 👌

@bender@twtxt.net I am also in camp no edit signals. deletes only breaks the head of a thread. all the replies are unaffected.

@3r1c@3r1c.net Woa! I love this blog’s format! _ it’s just perfect for reading from terminal…

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org that sounds truly idyllic! 🤭

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org HAHA Nice one!

@bender@twtxt.net Well Matt should definitely get better Lawyers/PR people who could slap em’ on the wrest and tell “NO!” before he does something childish and effs things up. As for WPE, I believe a billion dollar company should be able to afford investing in their own infrastructure, hosting their resources, deploying their own CDNs and what not instead of leaching on Wordpress (’s infrastructure) for free (as in free coffee) + The Stripe thing they did is so disgusting given the circumstances, I don’t even want to talk about it.

Things could/should’ve been handled better, now it’s just another sh…rimp show.

@stigatle@yarn.stigatle.no You too buddy, have a good one!

@prologic@twtxt.net here… Get the same impression about the dude as everyone else and then (get the other side of the story, although it is a mess)[https://invidious.privacyredirect.com/watch?v=Gd8h_6vYPJ8] … Theeeeen, don’t give an Eff’ about any of it. 🤣

@david@collantes.us and WPE are saints, right? 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net yeah, that’s what I said, and linked. Want more?

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt nah man! you’re not tricking me into answering that one 🤣🤣🤣

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Are you sure? Not seen the mail yet…

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Ooops you might want to re-send that to james instead 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net does that include mine? otherwise it would make them 8 and 5, maybe even throw off your maths by 0.00001% 😆 … and, come on! 1.04% seems like a good ratio considering how many gopher holes and gem capsules compared to how many Web servers out there in the world 😂