@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yikes! Debug settings enabled right from “the factory”?

Just a random drawing

Song music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWuVEhTJPdw

Ronnie’s story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo8q3VWXLqg

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@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz i’m a self hoster at heart man i open those ports MYSELF with EXTREME RECKLESSNESS

@movq@www.uninformativ.de for real!!!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de i hope to become this cool

#catsoftwtxt

@bender@twtxt.net Hahaha, nice! :-D

@bender@twtxt.net Haha 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net what a great world we live in! No wonder they marked this sector unoccupied.

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@movq@www.uninformativ.de That’s how it’s supposed to be. :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org “Advanced”, well, probably more “mature”. There aren’t a ton of crazy features and that icon thing is the largest code addition in the last 10 years. %)

Speaking of OS/2 … I just realized that Windows 3.x didn’t have icons, either. If I’m not mistaken, this only got added in Windows 95. In other words, OS/2 had this feature before Windows did, because at least OS/2 2.1 from 1993 had icons. Who would have thunk.

(Now I kind of want to know which system really introduced this feature.)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Ah, okay! That’s why it’s in such an advanced state. :-)

Nice, I never came in contact with OS/2.

@xuu@txt.sour.is I see you’re already a big fan of that language!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz dmenu is such a great tool. So simple, yet so versatile.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Oh, huh, maybe it was just my GNOME 2 themes back then that didn’t show the icon. 🤔

I like the looks of your window manager. That’s using Wayland, right?

Oh, no. It’s still X11. All my recent Wayland comments resulted from me trying to switch, but I think it’s still too early. Being unable to use QEMU (because it can’t capture the mouse pointer) is a pretty big blocker for me. This is completely broken, it just happens to be unnoticeable with modern guest OSes, so it’s probably not a priority for devs.

(Not to mention that I would have to fork and substantially extend dwl in order to “replicate” my X11 WM. And then, after having done that, I’d have to follow upstream Wayland development, for which I don’t have the resources. Things would need to slow down before I can do that.)

all that wasted space of the windows not making use of the full screen!!!1

Heh. I’ve been using tiling WMs for ~15 years now, so it’s actually kind of refreshing to see something different for a change. 😅

Probably close to the older Windowses.

That particular theme is a ripoff of OS/2 Warp 3: 😅

We ran some similar brownish color scheme (don’t recall its name) on Win95 or Win98

Oh god. Yeah, I wasn’t a fan of those, either. 🥴

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org defn foo(_ x _): # Ignored arguments

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I know, right!?

Obligatory meme: :-D

Hm, maybe pumpkin: https://64.media.tumblr.com/e1aedc97e3c4929de60304a2c7b274f2/tumblr_mzt4m2SeWk1t2as4so9_r1_1280.pnj Looks a hell lot uglier than I remembered. :-D So, perhaps it was a different one. :-?

Your brown and gray is a lovely combination.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de According to this screenshot, KDE still shows good old application icons:

And GNOME used to have them, too:

I like the looks of your window manager. That’s using Wayland, right? The only thing on this screenshot to critique is all that wasted space of the windows not making use of the full screen!!!1 At least the file browser. 8-)

This drives me nuts when my workmates share their screens. I really don’t get it how people can work like that. You can’t even read the whole line in the IDE or log viewer with all the expanded side bars. And then there’s 200 pixels on the left and another 300 pixels on the right where the desktop wallpaper shows. Gnaa! There’s the other extreme end when somebody shares their ultra wide screen and I just have a “regularish” 16:10 monitor and don’t see shit, because it’s resized way too tiny to fit my width. Good times. :-D

Sorry for going off on a tangent here. :-) Back to your WM: It has the right mix of being subtle and still similar to motif. Probably close to the older Windowses. My memory doesn’t serve me well, but I think they actually got it fairly good in my opinion. Your purple active window title looks killer. It just fits so well. This brown one () gives me also classic vibes. Awww. We ran some similar brownish color scheme (don’t recall its name) on Win95 or Win98 for some time on the family computer. I remember other people visting us not liking these colors. :-D

i am having fun with dmenu

https://bytes.4-walls.net/kat/dotfiles/src/branch/main/config/.local/bin/dict
https://bytes.4-walls.net/kat/dotfiles/commit/b5ca2e0eaba3cbc0cf0898926ffcb0bb064d17c7

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org True, at least old versions of KDE had icons:

GNOME, on the other hand, didn’t, at least to my old screenshots from 2007:

I switched to Linux in 2007 and no window manager I used since then had icons, apparently. Crazy. An icon-less existence for 18 years. (But yeah, everything is keyboard-driven here as well and there are no buttons here, either.)

Anyway, my draft is making progress:

I do like this look. 😊

This: https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/why-are-we-pretending-ai-is-going

the essay ‘asymmetry, heteronomy, delegation’ is featured on https://ontwerpkritiek.nl/asymmetry-heteronomy-delegation/

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org JESUS fucking christ what kinda cursed shit is this

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org YOOOO THATS SO COOL THO

Look at that, a mate just told me: What if YAML had even more security issues!? YAMLScript! https://yamlscript.org/doc/cheat/

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Nice looking birds! :-)

Oh, interesting. Lessons learned: Never simply redefine things.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Cool! I just got an idea for work tomorrow: Use dmenu to quickly start different SSH tunnels I routinely need.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Wow, up until now, it never occurred to me that dependencies can be optional. :-O I gotta put that on my research list.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I haven’t used KDE or GNOME for ages, but I’m sure KDE at least used to show application icons in the title bars. They proabably still do. But then, one could argue that KDE is mimicking Windows. I never thought like that, I always found KDE way superior, because I was able to configure it like a madman.

In i3, I don’t have any application icons. I remember missing them at the beginning. But I don’t even have the classical minimize, maximize and close buttons in the title bar either. Just the title. Being mostly keyboard driven and a tiling window manager, these buttons are not super useful, anyway.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I’m just used to it because I deal with such things all the time. :-)

Here’s an example of X11/Xlib being old and archaic.

X11 knows the data type “cardinal”. For example, the window property _NET_WM_ICON (which holds image data for icons) is an array of “cardinal”. I am already not really familiar with that word and I’m assuming that it comes from mathematics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_number

(It could also be a bird, but probably not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinalidae)

We would probably call this an “integer” today.

EWMH says that icons are arrays of cardinals and that they’re 32-bit numbers:

https://specifications.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/latest-single/#id-1.6.13

So it’s something like 0x11223344 with 0x11 being the alpha channel, 0x22 is red, and so on.

You would assume that, when you retrieve such an array from the X11 server, you’d get an array of uint32_t, right?

Nope.

Xlib is so old, they use char for 8-bit stuff, short int for 16-bit, and long int for 32-bit:

https://x.org/releases/current/doc/libX11/libX11/libX11.html#Obtaining_and_Changing_Window_Properties

That is congruent with the general C data types, so it does make sense:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_data_types

Now the funny thing is, on modern x86_64, the type long int is actually 64 bits wide.

The result is that every pixel in a Pixmap, for example, is twice as large in memory as it would need to be. Just because Xlib uses long int, because uint32_t didn’t exist, yet.

And this is something that I wouldn’t know how to fix without breaking clients.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz NVM i stole other peoples code to make a dictionary lookup script https://bytes.4-walls.net/kat/dotfiles/src/branch/main/config/.local/bin/dict

@movq@www.uninformativ.de wait this is SO fucking cursed help lmfao

@movq@www.uninformativ.de OH MY GOD YEAH and you know what kills me??? the fucking key value pairs in lists!!! who the fuck thought of this syntax?!?!

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@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org So it might just be what the youngsters call a “skill issue”? 😅

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org They are optional dependencies and listed as such:

$ pacman -Qi pinentry
Name            : pinentry
Version         : 1.3.1-5
Description     : Collection of simple PIN or passphrase entry dialogs which
                  utilize the Assuan protocol
Optional Deps   : gcr: GNOME backend [installed]
                  gtk3: GTK backend [installed]
                  qt5-x11extras: Qt5 backend [installed]
                  kwayland5: Qt5 backend
                  kguiaddons: Qt6 backend
                  kwindowsystem: Qt6 backend

And it’s probably a good thing that they’re optional. I wouldn’t want to have all that installed all the time.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Huuuhhh?! Did I get this correctly? There are programs installed that miss (some of) their dependencies?! What the heck! O_o

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@movq@www.uninformativ.de Following all your Wayland endeavors, it doesn’t sound like a mature and usable thing to me yet.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I found it quite easy to mentally parse this structure.

We finally got a caliper donated for this year’s scout flea market. We didn’t sell it, but kept it ourselves. It will come in very handy every now and then in our material store. For example, I missed having a caliper in the past when sorting our random assortment of screws or measuring the depth of a hole. It’s a wee bit banged up (probably happened during transport) and didn’t come with a box, but the latter is now solved.

The lid and bottom came from a wardrobe back panel I got from a mate, the sides were rocket sticks in their former lives. I found some scrap of felt in our material store and some hinges laying around in the drawers of my own workshop.

Unfortunately, the table saw teared up the plywood veneer fibres badly, even though I put tape around to prevent that. This is the first time it didn’t work. At. All. To cover that up, I painted the box with some decades old tinting paint (price tag says Deutsche Mark, not Euro!) from my paint cabinet. It’s awesome, works absolutely perfectly and doesn’t smell the slightest bit. I reckon, this caliper box is plenty good enough for occasional use at our scout material store.

I was drafting support for showing “application icons” in my window manager, i.e. the Firefox icon in the titlebar:

Then I realized: Wait a minute, lots of applications don’t set an icon? And lots of other window managers don’t show these icons, either? Openbox, pekwm, Xfce, fvwm, no icons.

Looks like macOS doesn’t show them, either?!

Has this grown out of fashion? Is this purely a Windows / OS/2 thing?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I spent so much time in the past figuring out if something is a dict or a list in YAML, for example.

What are the types in this example?

items:
- part_no:   A4786
  descrip:   Water Bucket (Filled)
  price:     1.47
  quantity:  4
- part_no:   E1628
  descrip:   High Heeled "Ruby" Slippers
  size:      8
  price:     133.7
  quantity:  1

items is a dict containing … a list of two other dicts? Right?

It is quite hard for me to grasp the structure of YAML docs. 😢

The big advantage of YAML (and JSON and TOML) is that it’s much easier to write code for those formats, than it is with XML. json.loads() and you’re done.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org YAYYYY <3

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I might need that script as well. 🙈🙏