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In-reply-to » Question to the twtxt veterans, are we experiencing an explosion of clients or is this a regular occurrence?

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev I don’t see a burst of new twtxt clients popping up. Yeah, the most recent ones are TwtxtReader and twtxt-el. Did I miss one? I agree with @david@collantes.us, looks normal to me. :-)

I’m also working on my rewrite at the moment, but that started… *looking at the git history*… oh wow! O_o Over two years ago! I just implemented jumping to the next/previous unread message.

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It would appear that Google’s web crawlers are ignoring the robots.txt that I have on https://git.mills.io/robots.txt with content:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /

Evidence attached (see screenshots): – I think its the the Small Web community band together and file a class action suit(s) against Microsoft.com Google.com and any other assholes out there (OpenAI?) that violate our rights and ignore requests to be “polite” on the web. Thoughts? 💭

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In-reply-to » @bender @prologic I can reproduce this locally, too. But it doesn't matter if I follow the feed or not. With JS enabled, hitting "Reply" opens a textarea with @<url>. Submitting this writes @<domain url> instead of @<nick url> in the feed.

While I now have a somewhat working fix for it in yarnd (https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/pulls/1232), I also have the feeling that I should fix literal formatting in lextwt as well. This also uncovered more bugs I believe: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/go-lextwt/pulls/28

But then there is also the question why the textarea is populated with @<url> in the first place rather than @<nick url> or yarnd’s own @nick@domain/@nick syntax. It indeed has to do something with whether I follow the mentioned feed or not.

Anyway, something to investigate for future Lyse or maybe @prologic@twtxt.net and/or @xuu@txt.sour.is. G’night!

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In-reply-to » I would like to make another proposal to the community, to discuss it calmly: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/twtxt.dev/issues/9 #twtxt

@prologic@twtxt.net I believe @andros@twtxt.andros.dev is referring to the one on the original twtxt docs . I’ve been meaning to contribute to the discussion on the git but I’m just lazy 😅 amma throw in a little something in a minute Poke a bee hive and run away style 😆

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In-reply-to » Any idea What's this "twtxtfeevalidator/0.0.1" UA about? I thought I could ask before throwing a 1000GB file at it 🪤 could it be the same 'xt' thing @lyse was talking about the other day?

I cobbled that together yesterday, @aelaraji@aelaraji.com. Since I was too lazy to write some tests, I simply hit your feed as I knew it contains two invalid lines right now. Sorry mate! :-( Next thing is to actually write some proper tests, improve the messages, etc.

Here’s the code: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/validator

Looking forward to that, @prologic@twtxt.net. :-)

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In-reply-to » @bender Gave it a try on Termux same thing @doesnm uses and it worked 👍 Media

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt No it’s all good… I’ve just rebuilt it from master and it doesn’t look like anything is broken:

~/GitRepos> git clone https://github.com/plomlompom/htwtxt.git
Cloning into 'htwtxt'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 411, done.
remote: Total 411 (delta 0), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 411 (from 1)
Receiving objects: 100% (411/411), 87.89 KiB | 430.00 KiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (238/238), done.
~/GitRepos> cd htwtxt
master ~/GitRepos/htwtxt> go mod init htwtxt
go: creating new go.mod: module htwtxt
go: to add module requirements and sums:
        go mod tidy
master ~/GitRepos/htwtxt> go mod tidy
go: finding module for package github.com/gorilla/mux
go: finding module for package golang.org/x/crypto/bcrypt
go: finding module for package gopkg.in/gomail.v2
go: finding module for package golang.org/x/crypto/ssh/terminal
go: found github.com/gorilla/mux in github.com/gorilla/mux v1.8.1
go: found golang.org/x/crypto/bcrypt in golang.org/x/crypto v0.29.0
go: found golang.org/x/crypto/ssh/terminal in golang.org/x/crypto v0.29.0
go: found gopkg.in/gomail.v2 in gopkg.in/gomail.v2 v2.0.0-20160411212932-81ebce5c23df
go: finding module for package gopkg.in/alexcesaro/quotedprintable.v3
go: found gopkg.in/alexcesaro/quotedprintable.v3 in gopkg.in/alexcesaro/quotedprintable.v3 v3.0.0-20150716171945-2caba252f4dc
master ~/GitRepos/htwtxt> go build
master ~/GitRepos/htwtxt> ll
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji 330 B  Fri Nov 22 20:25:52 2024  go.mod
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji 1.1 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:52 2024  go.sum
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji 8.9 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:06 2024  handlers.go
.rwxr-xr-x aelaraji aelaraji  12 MB Fri Nov 22 20:26:18 2024  htwtxt                 <-------- There's the binary ;)
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji 4.2 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:06 2024  io.go
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji  34 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:06 2024  LICENSE
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji 8.5 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:06 2024  main.go
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji 5.5 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:06 2024  README.md
drwxr-xr-x aelaraji aelaraji 4.0 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:06 2024  templates

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@prologic@twtxt.net just rebuild my image.. though git says i am already at latest

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In-reply-to » I've been thinking of a few improvements for the next generation of twtxt spec, let me know if these are useful or interesting :) https://text.eapl.mx/a-few-ideas-for-a-next-twtxt-version

Righto, @eapl.me@eapl.me, ta for the writeup. Here we go. :-)

Metadata on individual twts are too much for me. I do like the simplicity of the current spec. But I understand where you’re coming from.

Numbering twts in a feed is basically the attempt of generating message IDs. It’s an interesting idea, but I reckon it is not even needed. I’d simply use location based addressing (feed URL + ‘#’ + timestamp) instead of content addressing. If one really wanted to, one could hash the feed URL and timestamp, but the raw form would actually improve disoverability and would not even require a richer client. But the majority of twtxt users in the last poll wanted to stick with content addressing.

yarnd actually sends If-Modified-Since request headers. Not only can I observe heaps of 304 responses for yarnds in my access log, but in Cache.FetchFeeds(…) we can actually see If-Modified-Since being deployed when the feed has been retrieved with a Last-Modified response header before: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/commit/98eee5124ae425deb825fb5f8788a0773ec5bdd0/internal/cache.go#L1278

Turns out etags with If-None-Match are only supported when yarnd serves avatars (https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/commit/98eee5124ae425deb825fb5f8788a0773ec5bdd0/internal/handlers.go#L158) and media uploads (https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/commit/98eee5124ae425deb825fb5f8788a0773ec5bdd0/internal/media_handlers.go#L71). However, it ignores possible etags when fetching feeds.

I don’t understand how the discovery URLs should work to replace the User-Agent header in HTTP(S) requests. Do you mind to elaborate?

Different protocols are basically just a client thing.

I reckon it’s best to just avoid mixing several languages in one feed in the first place. Personally, I find it okay to occasionally write messages in other languages, but if that happens on a more regularly basis, I’d definitely create a different feed for other languages.

Isn’t the emoji thing “just” a client feature? So, feed do not even have to state any emojis. As a user I’d configure my client to use a certain symbol for feed ABC. Currently, I can do a similar thing in tt where I assign colors to feeds. On the other hand, what if a user wants to control what symbol should be displayed, similar to the feed’s nick? Hmm. But still, my terminal font doesn’t even render most of emojis. So, Unicode boxes everywhere. This makes me think it should actually be a only client feature.

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In-reply-to » @prologic would you please check my web interface? is that a normal thing or am I missing something?

Web interface is deleted in https://git.mills.io/saltyim/saltyim/commit/376de2702319686c902ec03b8ca1e17b020fc639 but seems incorrectly (in source i see git lfs metadata). Can be builded if you grab https://git.mills.io/saltyim/saltyim/src/commit/15a64de82829/internal/web/app.wasm and place it in source (go directory has cached source) and rebuild

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In-reply-to » @prologic I wanted to wait for things to settle down. It’s still unclear to me in which direction we’re going – and if that new/different stuff is even possible to implement in jenny. That said, I’ve been really busy with private stuff these last few days, I’ve lost track of most of what you’re discussing. 🥴

I share I did write up an algorithm for it at some point I think it is lost in a git comment someplace. I’ll put together a pseudo/go code this week.

Super simple:

Making a reply:

  1. If yarn has one use that. (Maybe do collision check?)
  2. Make hash of twt raw no truncation.
  3. Check local cache for shortest without collision
    • in SQL: select len(subject) where head_full_hash like subject || '%'

Threading:

  1. Get full hash of head twt
  2. Search for twts
    • in SQL: head_full_hash like subject || '%' and created_on > head_timestamp

The assumption being replies will be for the most recent head. If replying to an older one it will use a longer hash.

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In-reply-to » Only with dovecot xD. For mail im use android native mail client and not mutt. And jenny display some errors with found some files and /tmp dir (android dont have /tmp)

I believe I’d missed an f:

~/src/jenny $ git diff
diff --git a/jenny b/jenny
index ada8da2..8ae9a06 100755
--- a/jenny
+++ b/jenny
@@ -1194,7 +1194,7 @@ if __name__ == '__main__':
     if args.edit:
	edit_twt_file(app)
     elif args.fetch:
-        with DirectoryLock(f'/tmp/jenny-{getuser()}.run'):
+        with DirectoryLock(expanduser(f'~/tmp/jenny-{getuser()}.run')):
             retrieve_all(app)
     elif args.last_seen:
	 print('Feeds last seen at (times are local time), oldest first:')

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In-reply-to » Only with dovecot xD. For mail im use android native mail client and not mutt. And jenny display some errors with found some files and /tmp dir (android dont have /tmp)

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt I’ve just given it a try on android/termux and got it to work, I can’t promise it won’t break something else (because i definitely don’t know what I’m doing) but here’s what I broke 😅:

~/src/jenny $ git diff
diff --git a/jenny b/jenny
index ada8da2..8ae9a06 100755
--- a/jenny
+++ b/jenny
@@ -1194,7 +1194,7 @@ if __name__ == '__main__':
     if args.edit:
	edit_twt_file(app)
     elif args.fetch:
-        with DirectoryLock(f'/tmp/jenny-{getuser()}.run'):
+        with DirectoryLock(expanduser('~/tmp/jenny-{getuser()}.run')):
             retrieve_all(app)
     elif args.last_seen:
	 print('Feeds last seen at (times are local time), oldest first:')

and of course make sure you mkdir ~/tmp

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