@movq@www.uninformativ.de my fault! Err, I meant to say, @bender@twtxt.net’s! LOL.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org ah, if only you were to finally clean up that code, and make that client widely available…! One can only dream, right? :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I mean, dinosaurs “evolved” by getting wiped, right? :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de you said you liked seeing the hash (which is a fair choice!). All I am asking is for a reconsideration as a user configurable feature. ;-) It looks redundant, in my opinion.

So, by “evolve” you actually mean “remove”, @prologic@twtxt.net? :-?

@bender@twtxt.net it sure breaks the index formatting.

@quark@ferengi.one this is what I see:

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@aelaraji@aelaraji.com, this one, @movq@www.uninformativ.de, is slightly breaking my neomutt index. Will post screenshot from @bender@twtxt.net’s account.

Correct, @bender@twtxt.net. Since the very beginning, my twtxt flow is very flawed. But it turns out to be an advantage for this sort of problem. :-) I still use the official (but patched) twtxt client by buckket to actually fetch and fill the cache. I think one of of the patches played around with the error reporting. This way, any problems with fetching or parsing feeds show up immediately. Once I think, I’ve seen enough errors, I unsubscribe.

tt is just a viewer into the cache. The read statuses are stored in a separate database file.

It also happened a few times, that I thought some feed was permanently dead and removed it from my list. But then, others mentioned it, so I resubscribed.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de, that would be a nice addition. :-) I would also love the ability to hide/not show the hash when reading twtxts (after all, that’s on the header on each “email”). Could that be added as a user configurable toggle?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I don’t know if I’d want to discard the twts. I think what I’m looking for is a command “jenny -g https://host.org/twtxt.txt” to fetch just that one feed, even if it’s not in my follow list. I could wrap that in a shell script so that when I see a twt in reply to a feed I don’t follow, I can just tap a key and the feed will get added to my maildir. I guess the script would look for a mention at the start of a selected twt and call jenny -g on the feed.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org so, is it safe to assume you occasionally, but carefully, vet your feeds, and have contingencies in place to not keep requesting a seemingly dead feed over and over?

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org @bender@twtxt.net I’d certainly hate my client for automatic feed unsubscription, too.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Is there a good way to get jenny to do a one-off fetch of a feed, for when you want to fill in missing parts of a thread? I just added @slashdot@feeds.twtxt.net to my private follow file just because @prologic@twtxt.net keeps responding to the feed :-P and I want to know what he’s commenting on even though I don’t want to see every new slashdot twt.

@bender@twtxt.net Based on my experience so far, as a user, I would be upset if my client dropped someone from my follower list, i.e. stopped fetching their feed, without me asking for that to happen.

@prologic@twtxt.net Yeah, I’ve noticed that as well when I hacked around. That’s a very good addition, ta! :-)

Getting to this view felt suprisingly difficult, though. I always expected my feeds I follow in the “Feeds” tab. You won’t believe how many times I clicked on “Feeds” yesterday evening. :-D Adding at least a link to my following list on the “Feeds” page would help my learning resistence. But that’s something different.

Also, turns out that “My Feeds” is the list of feeds that I author myself, not the ones I have subscribed to. The naming is alright, I can see that it makes sense. It just was an initial surprise that came up.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org errors are already reported to users, but they’re only visible in the following list.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de A family member gave me their old (pseudo-)smart phone and it had all kinds of pre-installed BS that you’re not supposed to be able to uninstall, Xiaomi, FB, google… you name it. but guess what!? I already know about this Trick and then there is the Rethink DNS/Firewall app I have setup to block all traffic then allow the stuff I need with an Allow, Bypass or Exclude rule.

You’d be surprised to see how much traffic is going to blocked!! 🤣

@rrraksamam@twtxt.net I, can’t function. 😂

@bender@twtxt.net I’m not a yarnd user, but automatically unfollowing on 404 doesn’t seem right. Besides @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org’s example, I could imagine just accidentally renaming my own twtxt file, or forgetting to push it when I point my DNS to a new web server. I’d rather not lose all my yarnd followers in a situation like that (and hopefully they feel the same).

@bender@twtxt.net 404 could be indeed a temporary error if the file resides on a mounted remote filesystem and then the mount point fails for some reason. With a symlink from the web root to the file on the mount, the web server probably will not recognize the mount point failure as such. Thus, it might not reply with a 503 Service Unavailable (or something like that), but 404 Not Found instead. (I could be wrong on that, though.)

The right™ way is to signal 410 Gone if the feed does not exist anymore and will not come back to life again. But that’s hard to come by in the wild. Somebody has to manually configure that in almost all situations.

But yes, as @falsifian@www.falsifian.org points out, exponential backoff looks like a good strategy. Probably even report a failure to users somehow, so they can check and potentially unsubscribe.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Amen! 🙏😆

@prologic@twtxt.net @bender@twtxt.net Exponential backoff? Seems like the right thing to do when a server isn’t accepting your connections at all, and might also be a reasonable compromise if you consider 404 to be a temporary failure.

@xuu@txt.sour.is I don’t even have a WhatsApp password, it never asked me? 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net I think it was some mix of phish and social engineering. She didn’t have the multifactor enabled. But i think she had clicked a message that had a fake login. She talked to someone on a phone and they made her do some things.

I never got the whole story of how it happened.

@prologic@twtxt.net, does this rings a bell to you? 159-196-9-199.9fc409.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net

@movq@www.uninformativ.de pleas no.

My wifes mom nearly got her account fully taken over by some hacker. They were able to get control and change password but I was able to get it recovered before they could get the phone number reset. They sent messages to all her contacts to send cash.

@bender@twtxt.net Sigh. 🫤 Elon Musk should buy Meta. Problem solved. 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net the whole thing took less than 2 min 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net The headline is interesting and sent me down a rabbit hole understanding what the paper (https://aclanthology.org/2024.acl-long.279/) actually says.

The result is interesting, but the Neuroscience News headline greatly overstates it. If I’ve understood right, they are arguing (with strong evidence) that the simple technique of making neural nets bigger and bigger isn’t quite as magically effective as people say — if you use it on its own. In particular, they evaluate LLMs without two common enhancements, in-context learning and instruction tuning. Both of those involve using a small number of examples of the particular task to improve the model’s performance, and they turn them off because they are not part of what is called “emergence”: “an ability to solve a task which is absent in smaller models, but present in LLMs”.

They show that these restricted LLMs only outperform smaller models (i.e demonstrate emergence) on certain tasks, and then (end of Section 4.1) discuss the nature of those few tasks that showed emergence.

I’d love to hear more from someone more familiar with this stuff. (I’ve done research that touches on ML, but neural nets and especially LLMs aren’t my area at all.) In particular, how compelling is this finding that zero-shot learning (i.e. without in-context learning or instruction tuning) remains hard as model size grows.

@prologic@twtxt.net +1 for FrankenPHP. And built into caddy is also swell.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Variable names used with -eq in [[ ]] are automatically expanded even without $ as explained in the “ARITHMETIC EVALUATION” section of the bash man page. Interesting. Trying this on OpenBSD’s ksh, it seems “set -u” doesn’t affect that substitution.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de It’s hot here as well. Luckily should only last a couple of days. Bunkering down in our home and keeping all the doors and windows closed. No airco. Fans give some relieve.

@prologic@twtxt.net 35°C outside. 🫤 I’m just gonna sit here and wait for November. 😂

@movq@www.uninformativ.de If it still existed I bet the first thing he’d do is convert it to Golang 👌🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net I don’t know what you mean when you call them stochastic parrots, or how you define understanding. It’s certainly true that current language models show an obvious lack of understanding in many situations, but I find the trend impressive. I would love to see someone achieve similar results with much less power or training data.

@prologic@twtxt.net I thought “stochastic parrot” meant a complete lack of understanding.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de The success of large neural nets. People love to criticize today’s LLMs and image models, but if you compare them to what we had before, the progress is astonishing.

@prologic@twtxt.net @movq@www.uninformativ.de Nothing can beat AI powered rice cooker! 😜

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org I do like to think of that recommendation as sarcastic stab at twt-errr’s rules 😉 so, IMO the more a twt exceeds the recommended limit the merrier! 😂

@prx@si3t.ch ROFL. 🤣 Come on! That’s evil. At least give them cup of hot chocolate, make it a win-win.

@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks. It’s from a non-Euclidean geometry project: https://www.falsifian.org/blog/2022/01/17/s3d/

@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks for the invitation. What time of day?

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org by the way, on the last Saturday of every month, we generally hold a online video call/social meet up, where we just get together and talk about stuff if, you’re interested in joining us this month.

@prologic@twtxt.net Fair enough! I just added some metadata.

Thanks @prologic@twtxt.net! I like the way Yarn.social is making all of twtxt stronger, not just Yarn.social pods.

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org You need an Avatar 😅

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Thanks!

Hello twtxt! I’m James (or @falsifian@www.falsifian.org). I live in Toronto. Recent interests include space complexity, simple software, and science fiction.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de HAHA 😂 How come I’ve never seen that one before!? Weeeeeeeeeeeeehehehe 😂