@prologic@twtxt.net history is a broad subject! i think you could spend your whole life studying and discussing only the last 500 years. i’ve spent many nights sharing drinks and discussing the finer points of political history and theory with my uni buddies. i doubt that’ll ever get old ^^

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com I thought I had replied to this, but don’t see it, so my apologies. I like macOS, and Apple machines are the only ones who can run it. Granted, there are Hackintoshes, but those are on the way out, sadly, because of Apple’s move to their own CPU chips. So, no, a ZimaBoard won’t do the trick. 😅

Wives are something else, my friend. “Handle with care” applies all the time. 🤭

@prologic@twtxt.net hahahaha! If only was that easy. Wife is pretty stressed out at work with new duties. At the same time people are getting laid off. So, it truly is a dilemma, and something that must be done carefully. I can wait. I waited this long, I can wait a bit more. Maybe and end-of-year gift for both of us?

@prologic@twtxt.net woot, awesome! I am using ux2028 twice in my description. May lower it to once, but need some reference first. 😅

So, @prologic@twtxt.net, Yarn isn’t rendering the metadata as described on the format documentation. That is, ux2028 is ignored when Yarn renders the description metadata.

@xuu@txt.sour.is done, and done, and done. The three of us dropped our mail-in ballots, and received confirmation they are counted. Living in a red state (well, kid said it is more like purple now) makes me sad, and mad, but I have done what I can—and that includes explaining things to others, and encouraging them to vote.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt What Hallway link?

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt May I ask which hardware you have? SSD or HDD? How much RAM?

I might be spoiled and very privileged here. Even though my PC is almost 12 years old now, it does have an SSD and tons of RAM (i.e., lots of I/O cache), so starting mutt and opening the mailbox takes about 1-2 seconds here. I hardly even notice it. But I understand that not everybody has fast machines like that. 🫤

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt here! create a $HOME/.cache/mutt/twtxt/ directory for example and then add this set header_cache = $HOME/.cache/mutt/twtxt/ to your muttrc (the one you have set up for or use with jenny if you’re using different ones). That’s what helped me with that.

Ref: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/#header-caching

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt right, jenny isn’t the problem, it’s your platform of choice. The fetching of archives doesn’t happen all time (once only, right @movq?), but yes, depending on the amount of feeds you follow that first time might take a while.

@bender@twtxt.net Here #sgvko5a 😁

As @aelaraji@aelaraji.com points out, this @<bender bender@twtxt.net> is currently wrong. The 2nd part of a mention is currently required to be a full absolute URI.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Congrats, this is cool! :-) When I returned yesterday, I saw also a bunch of those.

@bender@twtxt.net That mention looks like @<bender bender@twtxt.net> on my side …

@rrraksamam@twtxt.net have the Invidious instances (alternative front-end to the platform) stop working? Otherwise, I have just figured my way around navigating PeerTube content and I wouldn’t even miss it if YT had to disappear from the internet.

@Codebuzz@www.codebuzz.nl you replied to me, but the reply was just an @, nothing else (the whole handle was missing).

There are no web mentions here, and no notifications. It isn’t Mastodon; if you want to see if someone wrote something new, or replied to you, you need to open your client.

@prologic@twtxt.net that’s still a generalization. which religion, which historical trends, which extremes, &c. otherwise you aren’t actually saying anything about religion, you’re expressing disapproval of extremes. which is valid, but doesn’t make for a substantial critique, if that makes sense.

@prologic@twtxt.net I’m grateful for this accident. I find browsing twtxt.net useful even though I don’t have an account there. I do it when I can’t use Jenny because I only have my phone, or if I want to see messages I might have missed. I know it’s not guaranteed to catch everything, but it’s pretty good, even if it’s not intentional.

@Codebuzz@www.codebuzz.nl I use Jenny to add to a local copy of my twtxt.txt file, and then manually push it to my web servers. I prefer timestamps to end with “Z” rather than “+00:00” so I modified Jenny to use that format. I mostly follow conversations using Jenny, but sometimes I check twtxt.net, which could catch twts I missed.

@prologic@twtxt.net both religion and politics encompass an extremely wide spectrum of ideas and behavior. we need to be specific in making a critique, otherwise it doesn’t deepen our understanding of the world. though i agree that the status quo political and religious landscape is awful due to the historical context i’m talking about upthread.

@codebuzz@www.codebuzz.nl I have some shell scripts that handle some of the log formatting details, but I mostly write my mesages by hand. Lately I’ve been browsing twtxt.net since they aggregate most of the known network. I have a couple of demo aggregators sitting around, but I’m in the middle of some infra rebuilds so a lot of my services are offline rn. They’re both built on a simple social graph analysis that extracts urls for your direct follows the follows listed on each of those feeds (friend-of-a-friend replication). certain formatting operations are awkward with my setup, so I may write an app of some kind in the future. likely gemini-based, but I have a number of projects ahead of that one in the queue.

@david@collantes.us How much of a computer does it have to be? Would a ZimaBoard do the trick? I don’t have a wife, so I wouldn’t know any better 😅

How about storing the contents of the twtxt.txt file in TXT DNS records? :-P Like so:

dig +short txt poem.netbros.com | sed 's/[\" ]//g' | base64 -d

@prologic@twtxt.net shut that down, man! I’ll give you a nickel for it! 🤭

@bender@twtxt.net I try to avoid editing. I guess I would write 5/4, 6/4, etc, and hopefully my audience would be sympathetic to my failing.

Anyway, I don’t think my eccentric decision to number my twts in the style of other social media platforms is the only context where someone might write ¼ not meaning a quarter. E.g. January 4, to Americans.

I’m happy to keep overthinking this for as long as you are :-P

@bender@twtxt.net @prologic@twtxt.net I’m not exactly asking yarnd to change. If you are okay with the way it displayed my twts, then by all means, leave it as is. I hope you won’t mind if I continue to write things like 1/4 to mean “first out of four”.

What has text/markdown got to do with this? I don’t think Markdown says anything about replacing 1/4 with ¼, or other similar transformations. It’s not needed, because ¼ is already a unicode character that can simply be directly inserted into the text file.

What’s wrong with my original suggestion of doing the transformation before the text hits the twtxt.txt file? @prologic@twtxt.net, I think it would achieve what you are trying to achieve with this content-type thing: if someone writes 1/4 on a yarnd instance or any other client that wants to do this, it would get transformed, and other clients simply wouldn’t do the transformation. Every client that supports displaying unicode characters, including Jenny, would then display ¼ as ¼.

Alternatively, if you prefer yarnd to pretty-print all twts nicely, even ones from simpler clients, that’s fine too and you don’t need to change anything. My 1/4 -> ¼ thing is nothing more than a minor irritation which probably isn’t worth overthinking.

So I am really curious, now that I am building upon @sorenpeter@darch.dk’s Timeline app, how other users write/add their twtxt, and how you follow conversations. Comment svp!

Spent some time cleaning up my AoC code to get ready for December 1st. Anyone else doing it this year? @prologic@twtxt.net we have to setup a new team each year?

@prologic@twtxt.net I’m not a yarnd user, so it doesn’t matter a whole lot to me, but FWIW I’m not especially keen on changing how I format my twts to work around yarnd’s quirks.

I wonder if this kind of postprocessing would fit better between composing (via yarnd’s UI) and publishing. So, if a yarnd user types ¼, it could get changed to ¼ in the twtxt.txt file for everyone to see, not just people reading through yarnd. But when I type ¼, meaning first out of four, as a non-yarnd user, the meaning wouldn’t get corrupted. I can always type ¼ directly if that’s what I really intend.

(This twt might be easier to understand if you read it without any transformations :-P)

Anyway, again, I’m not a yarnd user, so do what you will, just know you might not be seeing exactly what I meant.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de i’ve wondered the same thing.. dansup can be pretty erratic and i don’t really trust the guy. thankfully (at least from my perspective) he’s not the only game in town. though i think going UI-first is kind of jumping the gun. the fediverse doesn’t really have the infrastructure in place to support video publishing at the scale that a tiktok user might expect. based on some of dansups statements regarding palestine, i’m sure its partially an effort to control what kind of content makes it into fedi’s tiktok streams for the first while.

@New_scientist@feeds.twtxt.net Hallucinating invisible pedestrians, great application!

@sorenpeter@darch.dk I’ve been using weechat for a while then when I started learning my way around Emacs I switched to Circe … a couple months later I setup ZNC, rolled with it for some time but wasn’t sure if I wanted to stick with it. Now I’m mainly using TheLounge and do find it convenient accessing it from anywhere. but quite honestly, I don’t have a preference.

@prologic@twtxt.net yeah, sorry about that, I shouldn’t have put something like that out there in the fist place. It started as a completely different twit then I got overwhelmed noticing that I may have became the exact same thing I despise the most 🤦

@prologic@twtxt.net yeah short Nick is going to be unique enough. There is always olong Nick that adds the domain for differentiation.

@sorenpeter@darch.dk I run Weechat headless on a VM and mostly connect via mobile or dwsktop. I use the android client or gliwing bear. Work blocks all comms on their always on MitM VPN so I cant in office anymore. So I just use mobile.

@slashdot@feeds.twtxt.net Ugh, do we really need more brainrot, even if it is more open? 😅

@Codebuzz@www.codebuzz.nl Yes 🤞

@bender@twtxt.net True, I’m just not sure we can have it both way? 🤔 I can turn smartypants off, but I do seem to recall you wanted it on 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net Hehe! I’m flattered.

@prologic@twtxt.net I wrote ¼ (one slash four) by which I meant “the first out of four”. twtxt.net is showing it as ¼, a single character that IMO doesn’t have that same meaning (it means 0.25). Similarly, ¾ got replaced with ¾ in another twt. It’s not a big deal. It just looks a little wrong, especially beside the 2/4 and 4/4 in my other two twts.

@prologic@twtxt.net Just gave this one a try to update my twtxt.txt file with a proper # follow = ... list! 🙏

@prologic@twtxt.net One could argue twtxt.net’s display formatting is a little over-eager here.

@prologic@twtxt.net that should be right

@sorenpeter@darch.dk Awesome! I’ll dig in as soon as I come back from my late night stroll

@movq@www.uninformativ.de How hard would it be to implement something like (#<2024-10-25T17:15:50Z https://www.uninformativ.de/twtxt.txt>)in jenny as a replacement for (#twthash) and have it not care about if is http(s) or a g-protocol?

@Codebuzz@www.codebuzz.nl Speed is an issue for the client software, not the format itself, but yes I agree that it makes the most sense to append post to the end of the file. I’m referring to the definition that it’s the first url = in the file that is the one that has to be used for the twthash computation, which is a too arbitrary way of defining something that breaks treading time and time again. And this is the case for not using url+date+message = twthash.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de LOL, you are late! :-P Stores around started selling Christmas’s decorations early September. Like, wow! Usually the earliest is after Halloween, more often after Thanksgiving.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de interesting! So, what would the fix be, in this case, do you know? Aware of this, @prologic@twtxt.net?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de, having an issue fetching a twtxt context. I am getting:

Trying to fetch "#mowsvgq" from Yarn pod https://txt.sour.is ...
Trying to fetch "#mowsvgq" from Yarn pod https://twtxt.net ...
Twt could not be found

Yet, the twtxt is there: https://twtxt.net/twt/mowsvgq. Bug, or something else?

Simplified twtxt - I want to suggest some dogmas or commandments for twtxt, from where we can work our way back to how to implement different feature like replies/treads:

1. It’s a text file, so you must be able to write it by hand (ie. no app logic) and read by eye. If you edit a post you change the content not the timestamp. Otherwise it will be considered a new post.

2. The order of lines in a twtxt.txt must not hold any significant. The file is a container and each line an atomic piece of information. You should be able to run sort on a twtxt.txt and it should still work.

3. Transport protocol should not matter, as long as the file served is the same. Http and https are preferred, so it is suggested that feed served via Gopher or Gemini also provide http(s).

4. Do we need more commandments?