@movq@www.uninformativ.de this is so real… i think we need to bring back topic focused groups but like with a little off topic side of things just in case people wanna go off topic. so the option’s there but the intent is the topic! microblogging isn’t best for this yeah. i think this is part of why IRC still goes strong for many tech people

@bender@twtxt.net I use it. It’s not the feature I use the most in the fediverse, but I communicate this way with several friends. For example, it’s the main way I talk to the original creator of the twtxt-el repository, the way people greet me for the first time or the way they notify me of some bugs in the software I maintain. I can even tell you that it’s the main way I talk to some maintainers of the Emacs community. If there are any of you reading my words, speak up!
Why not have the same? There are things I want to say to @prologic@twtxt.net in private, why should I have to send him an email or private IRC? Or an public twt.
Of course, here’s a topic we’ve already talked about: what is twtxt for you? For me it will always be a social network, in microblogging format, but an asynchronous way of communicating. And having a tool to control visibility is basic 😄
I look forward to hearing from you @eapl.me@eapl.me !

@xuu@txt.sour.is As I also mentioend on IRC I think this is a. bug?

@bender@twtxt.net Sure! 👍

{
    ...
   # Layer 4 Reverse Proxy
   layer4 {
      # Gopher
      0.0.0.0:70 {
         route {
            proxy <internal_ip>:70
         }
      }

      # IRC (TLS)
      0.0.0.0:6697 {
         route {
            proxy <internal_ip>:6697
         }
      }
   }
}

@prologic@twtxt.net want to share the snippet of your Caddyfile for irc.mills.io?

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz At the core, you need an ngircd.conf like this:

[Global]
    Name = your.irc.server.com
    Password = yourfancypassword
    Listen = 0.0.0.0
    Ports = 6667

    AdminInfo1 = Well, me.
    AdminInfo2 = Over here!
    AdminEMail = forget.it@example.invalid

[Options]
    Ident = no
    PAM = no

[SSL]
    CertFile = /etc/ssl/acme/your.irc.server.com.fullchain.pem
    KeyFile = /etc/ssl/acme/private/your.irc.server.com.key
    DHFile = /etc/ngircd/dhparam.pem
    Ports = 6669

Start it and then you can connect on port 6667. (The SSL cert/key must be managed by an external tool, probably something like certbot or acme-client.)

I’m assuming OpenBSD here. Haven’t tried it on Linux lately, let alone Docker. 😅

@kate@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I already have my IRC server irc.mills.io running behind Caddy Layer 4. However I don’t terminate TLS at the edge in this case.

is it like… ethical to offer access to certain self hosted services as patreon exclusives. like i wanna offer the IRC client/bouncer i hosted which seems ok i think because i’ve seen pico.sh offer their instances of that as paid services. but the other ones i have in mind are alt web frontends for stuff like imgur and pinterest. and i just feel weird about it for some reason. idk i’m trying to think of ways to support my server stuff but every time i come up with something it feels weird

@movq@www.uninformativ.de i tried ngircd but couldn’t figure it out T__T i left it at the web client and bouncer for now but i might toy with an IRC server another time!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz ngircd is nice: https://ngircd.barton.de/ You can absolutely host this on your server for you and your friends (I’ve been doing that for a very long time). Actually peering with something like libera is hard, though, because they have strict requirements and a lot of traffic. Then again, there’s no real benefit in peering, actually. IRC is pretty “decentralized” anyway and people are usually used to connecting to several networks, so joining another one isn’t a big deal, imho. 🙃

guys i may be stupid. i confused IRC bouncer with IRC server

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I skimmed through the gamja docs and they say you need an “IRC WebSocket server” – no idea what that is. Does gamja not speak IRC directly but essentially “IRC over HTTP”? Curious. 🤔

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz i JUST want my own IRC server for fun. that is all i want

hey everyone i’ve spent my whole day trying to set up soju + gamja in docker and now i am down a rabbit hole of building caddy with layer4 support and trying to get TLS for my IRC server and NOTHING IS WORKING

@prologic@twtxt.net so, where is the irc.mills.io leaf, connecting to Libera? 🤭

@prologic@twtxt.net this was for IRC, but pong! 🏓

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev I honestly think IRC is better anyway 🤣

I left XMPP because I found no interactions. Long live IRC!

@bender@twtxt.net IRC man 🤣

@kate@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz @eldersnake@we.loveprivacy.club @abucci@anthony.buc.ci – I’ve already spoken to @xuu@txt.sour.is on IRC about this, but the new SqliteCache backend I’m working on here, what are your thoughts regarding mgirations from old MemoryCache (which is now gone in the codebase in this branch). Do you care to migrate at all, or just let the pod re-fetch all feeds? 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net, from IRC:

1. Saving preferences is failing. Specifically trying to save “Open Links” on the same window. For sure it isn’t happening. Check errors on browser’s console.
   
2. Search results pagination is broken. Search for “twtxt.net” and see it. Also, picking oldest/newest makes no difference on that search query.

You can find the #twtxt-el channel in Libera IRC to talk about the twtxt.el client, I will keep my connection open so you can ask me questions. Thank you!

So what are some good alternatives to GitHub, that are not based in USA?
I like the minimal feel of sourcehut but it seem you have to pay if you want your, not just submit patches to others repos. But they also got IRC bouncer and mailing-lists included. Codeberg also looks appealing being based in Germany.

EdgeGuard Update:

I am now in a position where I’m no longer having any ports open on my firewall at the Mills DC. 🥳 All services (Gopher, SMTP, IRC, SSH, HTTP) are being proxied through my edge network 💪

I have said this before, but since I have been back on #IRC I am talking to a lot of interesting people.
Can you recommend some channels on Libera?

@prologic@twtxt.net As written in IRC, several things turned me off. I don’t have the energy at the moment to wrestle through. :-(

Hmm, I just noticed that the feed template seems to be broken on your yarnd instance, @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz. Looking at your raw feed file (and your mates as well), line 6 reads:

# This is hosted by a Yarn.social pod yarn running yarnd ERSION@OMMIT  go1.23.4
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Looks like the first letters of the version and commit got somehow chopped off. I’ve no idea what happened here, maybe @prologic@twtxt.net knows something. :-? I’m not familiar with the templating, I just recall @xuu@txt.sour.is reporting in IRC the other day that he’s also having great fun with his custom preamble from time to time.

That “broken” comment doesn’t hurt anything, it’s still a proper comment and hence ignored by clients. It’s just odd, that’s all.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Sorry I missed your messages to #twtxt on IRC. There are people there, but it can take several hours to get a response. E.g. I check it every day or two. I recommend using an IRC bouncer. To answer your question about registries, I used a couple of registries when I first started out, to try to find feeds to follow, but haven’t since then. I don’t remember which ones, but they were easy to find with web searches.

I don’t know. Maybe it’s dumb secure for ddos and botnets? But it can be used not only with IRC

Remembered about one ISP which disallow IRC stuff on his servers. By searching i found what it’s many ISP’s which equals IRC to proxy and doorways. This is unfair!

@prologic@twtxt.net What IRC client is that?

da fuq?! Haven’t seen this kind of shit™ on IRC since the good ‘ol days of AustNet (now dead right?) when IRC was way more popular than it is today 🤣

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@prologic@twtxt.net I … Knew it! 🤣 I was even gonna throw in a joke about it in IRC.

Hah, seems i cant connect to plain because irc+insecure://irc.mills.io also not work (my bouncer powered by soju)

Lol, irc.mills.io has expired certificate until 2018 year 0_0

its offline atm, but my usual setup basically makes my xmpp server into a bouncer (biboumi) and my xmpp client just does its normal thing to read the irc backlog as server-side message history.

What are peoples #IRC setup? Do you have your own bouncer server or just have a you computer always on? And do you IRC on mobile?

“Fu*** IRC maaan, all the cool kids are on Discord! IRC sucks”

LOL, Now substitute IRC and Discord with Gopher/Gemini and Web.
I hope you get the joke 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net It’s all I’m using … I have barely touched any other social media since I’ve discovered Twtxt back in April 😂 maybe a little bit of Mastodon and IRC, bluesky even less, but nothing else worth mentioning.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Didn’t know there was a yarnd IRC channel!! hopping in to say Hi 😁

You might have seen me popping up on IRC. This is how it looks:

https://movq.de/v/3a4f9833f3/

That’s EZirc from the 1990ies. (It says it needs Warp 4, but runs fine on Warp 3.)

Lots of this old stuff still works (technically), but as @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org said: A lot of it really is dead. There’s not much going on anymore in Usenet.

Oh Look!! There’s a Twtxt #IRC channel ! 😃

I would love to see a world where ones twtxt feed is defined by webfinger. So @xuu@txt.sour.is => https://text.sour.is/user/xuu/twtxt.txt

Then my identity can exist independent of the feed location. And I can host multiple protocol types for my feed. Ie. http/gopher/Gemini/irc DCC/etc

👋 Q: How do we feel about forking the Twtxt spec into what we love and use today in Yarn.social in yarnd, tt, jenny, twtr and other clients? 🤔 Thinking about (and talking with @xuu@txt.sour.is on IRC) about the possibility of rewriting a completely new spec (no extensions). Proposed name yarn.txt or “Yarn”. Compatibility would remain with Twtxt in the sense that we wouldn’t break anything per se, but we’d divorce ourselves from Twtxt and be free to improve based on the needs of the community and not the ideals of those that don’t use, contribute in the first place or fixate on nostalgia (which doesn’t really help anyone).

@prologic@twtxt.net Libera’s insistence on giving them an e-mail and my real IP address makes me really not want to give them either one. Otherwise, I’d probably talk in IRC regularly.

@benk@kwiecien.us I am using jenny (we chatted a bit on IRC earlier today). I have been using it for over five months now, I think. It is truly a joy to use, specially because you can use the power of Mutt/NeoMutt to read your twts.

So the evolution of my nick is as follows. I had a bicycle that had the word Zephyr written on it. Which means a western wind. That is related to the Greek god Zephyrus.

I liked words where X make a Z sound. And also had a bit of dyslexia so my firs IRC nick was Xypher swapping the y and e.. I would also use the forms Xypherius or just Xypheri.

Because its close hemming to Cypher I found the nick would get used by others.. Though that is not my origin.

Later I would sign websites I created as The X-Urban Underground (where X was short for Xypher) and that evolved to xuu. Pronounced like zoo.

👋 Q&A: Let’s discuss the removal of Editing and Deleting your last Twt. This is something @fastidious@twtxt.net has raised to me on IRC and something I find quite a valid approach to this. Over time I believe the utility and value of “Editing” and “Deleting” one’s last Twt isn’t as valuable as we’d like and increased complexity and introduces all kinds of side-effects that are hard to manage correctly. I vote for the removal of this feature from yarnd, the mobile app nor API support this anyway…

Looking at raw IRC traffic streams to debug a client issue and it’s 1997 again.

@prologic@twtxt.net that would be an interesting idea. I think your current spec of using an SMTP proto is probably best for DM.

but having a federation of IRC servers would be interesting for realtime twt propagation.