Why.

Python’s numeric types complex, float and int are not subtypes of each other, but to support common use cases, the type system contains a straightforward shortcut: when an argument is annotated as having type float, an argument of type int is acceptable; similar, for an argument annotated as having type complex, arguments of type float or int are acceptable.

https://typing.python.org/en/latest/spec/special-types.html#special-cases-for-float-and-complex

@movq@www.uninformativ.de You know you could in theory use the Twtxt App and the Twtxt Feeds service as your “news reader” right? 😅

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Bingo!

Oh, yeah, newsboat is good. For this particular use case, I explicitly needed a graphical feed reader, though. 😅 I ended up using Thunderbird, which has its own interesting way of configuring/adding feeds:

https://movq.de/v/a3557e3dc9/vid-1784952576.mp4

Why are feeds categorized as “Mail”? What’s going on with that “Add” button on the left of the dialog? Why does the dialog indicate that there’s a folder called “list-files Recent Commits” which doesn’t really exist in the end? (Why does it take about 1-2 seconds to load 25 feed items?) And so on.

@prologic@twtxt.net I don’t think so? At least, I didn’t hear about any issues on Codeberg’s end. It may, of course, have had something to do with me using HTTPie instead of wget, but I really don’t know what happened.

@prologic@twtxt.net Our company is paying a shitload of money for all these (different) AI tools … I’m probably not allowed to tell you the exact number, but it is a lot. The only other way would be to lay off employees, so we can pay even more for AI. (Needless to say, that would be the worst possible move.)

For a private person, $20 a month is also pretty expensive, isn’t it? And then assume that you maybe need more than one AI tool. You’re quickly up to $50 a month or much more. This isn’t something that I, as a private person, will ever be willing to spend for this kind of stuff.

“AI” is just expensive as fuck. On every level. They will have to (ab)use every possible way to squeeze more money out of it, and that includes ads and what not.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah, the feed names are legacy and I didn’t want to set up redirect rules. (I can’t really tell if anybody actually uses them …)

Extracting the info from the CHANGES file would be nice. Maybe I’ll add that. :-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Good question. Tarballs are probably not needed, but might be convenient for people who don’t want to or can use a version control system. Not sure if there are non-techies who use your software. Tarballs for branches are overkill, though, I agree.

Looking at this more closely: As for the feeds, how about filenames “tags.atom” and “commits.atom”? Unless, of course, they were already named like that before.

For the tags feed it would be cool to include the actual changelog entries to be more useful if somebody takes this approach to get notified of new versions. But that would mean you have to duplicate the changelog entry into the annotated tag. And then you can’t fix changelog typos in the feed anymore. Alternatively, the feed generation would need to extract the section from the the CHANGES file. That has the benefit of automatically providing changelogs for past versions in the feed.

@prologic@twtxt.net Even without the gamification and AI, I don’t host anything on GitHub. Just the fact that it’s owned by Microsoft spells trouble, in my opinion.

I still have an account, for occasionally contributing to a few specific projects, since a lot of developers wouldn’t know what to do with a patchset, and since many users of GitHub/Lab and Codeberg use send-only email aliases, so git send-email probably wouldn’t work.

Hmm …

My project pages have this “Downloads” section and I offer tarballs for each release:

https://movq.de/git/jenny/#downloads

I added this many years ago because an OpenBSD dev asked for it (but the project in question didn’t end up in their ports after all).

What are your thoughts on this? Is it necessary to offer tarballs?

I noticed that some distributions have already moved away from using tarballs and instead always clone from Git. 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net Oh, yes, just for clarity: This wasn’t a “pro GitHub” argument. 😅 I won’t go back there (or to another “forge”).

I think we’re totally on the same page: Decentralized Git hosting is good, but we haven’t solved the “collaboration” part yet. Or rather: We have to modernize it. The tools are already there, but (many) people don’t want to use them and think they’re clunky.

Deleted some old no longer used pixelart from my galley and added this as an alternative version, of the sprite one.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oh, that’s actually quite a bit. I didn’t expect that. You definitely have useful things. :-)

Exactly, I now also send links to my fork. :-D

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org

How many tickets and merge requests did you get before moving to your own server?

Hm, these were probably some of the more active projects:

• https://github.com/vain/lariza/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aclosed
  
• https://github.com/vain/pdfPres/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aclosed
  
• https://github.com/vain/xiate/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aclosed
  

So it’s not a ton of stuff and there are many “issues” I opened myself, but it’s certainly more than these days.

Haven’t used git send-email even once. I definitely have to look into that soon. Wanted to do that for several years. I typically upload the patch to my server and send a link via IRC.

git send-email is good for sending patches to a mailing list (because then the individual patches can be discussed easily), but since those are dying out as well, it loses its appeal. If you want to send patches to a single person, just sending the link to your repo is far easier. 🤔

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Finally, your software is just perfect and finished by now, no need to report non-existing bugs or send in code changes. :-) How many tickets and merge requests did you get before moving to your own server?

I have to admit that I use git format-patch so rarely, I always have to pull it up from my shell history. Haven’t used git send-email even once. I definitely have to look into that soon. Wanted to do that for several years. I typically upload the patch to my server and send a link via IRC.

Maybe I was just very unlucky, but my experience is that you can perfectly ignore people and their work who only do it for the “fame”. It’s almost always been from inferior quality to say the least.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de If only somebody had warned us! Luckily, no TV in this household. :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net Hmmm, I have no idea how to solve that problem. 😅 Some jenny stuff aside, I received zero bug reports or code contributions since leaving GitHub in 2018.

I thought I had made that super easy, because you can just send me an email – no sign-up process, nothing. But that’s way too old-school, people don’t know how to use git format-patch (let alone git send-email) and they also don’t understand that they can just send me a link to their forked Git repo (which can be hosted anywhere). Git is super flexible and powerful, but those features are hardly ever used.

Maybe people even need some kind “reward”, or “fame”. Like those “achievements” that you can unlock on GitHub. (Something to put in their CV … ?)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Thanks for that. I’d been hearing about this in the context of browser plugins turning computers into residential proxies for web scrapers, but I hadn’t considered that a TV could be used the same way. ☹️

Are you aware of the Residential Proxy pest?

https://spur.us/blog/smart-tv-apps-residential-proxy-sdks

This explains the access patterns that I see in my logs.

It’s funny, because I used to warn years ago that this might happen, and then I lost track of this topic. Now here we are and it’s a real issue. 🤦‍♀️

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org A small portion of people might do the headphone thing because of autism or sensory issues, to isolate them from annoying noises. I used to do that myself. 🤔

(1) Why The Ocean’s Top Predator Refuses to Hunt Us - YouTube

– The first half of this documentary is amazing! 😮 – The remaining half however is sad and depressing, making me never want to visit another zoo again 😢

Hurray! Finally, the thunderstorm is right over us. The last days we always got skipped. The rain smells so great. :-)

We strolled up our backyard mountain. Visibility wasn’t the best, despite the rain we got yesterday. Oh well, scenery was really beautiful, though.

I found it super funny that we almost overtook a jogger before she turned off to another path right in front of us (yeah, we’ve got a smart pace, but this girl was slow as a snail).

https://lyse.isobeef.org/waldspaziergang-2026-07-18/

📣 ACTION REQUIRED: Hey folks 👋 For those of you whom are using the Twtxt App either via the Hosted option or on your own twtd instnace or via Github/Gitea or any other publishing backend (doesn’t amtter). Please read.

Please open the app and you should be prompted to save your recovery code for your device. This basically is all of your settings, follows, etc in the app itself. This is synced to the Origin everytime you make a change, and also stored on-device. This is what makes it possible to sync your setting across services, move to another device, etc.

Please save a copy of the recovery code somewhere. This is only your only way to recover your settings.

Thank you 🙏

@balloon-fu-sen@tw.fus.f5.si Huh? 🧐 This hasn’t changed. What has is the default proxy used depending on your publishing backend.

there us a recovery path

@david@daiwei.me Ha, I just noticed that I changed Newsboat’s defaults. Right from the factory, new items are just bold, while read ones aren’t. No different colors, white on black. Focused items are bold yellow on blue. No matter the read status. I think that’s why I started to play with the config to differentiate them. It’s been so long ago that I didn’t know anymore I even messed with that.

And yes, you’re right, the red on black is borderline readable. Also, my white on green focus is rather silly. But I’m sooo used to it, I don’t realize how bad the contrast is. To be fair, I don’t spend a lot of time in the lists. Aha, there are new articles, Enter to hit the artice view, read it, press n to immediately jump to the next unread article, rince and repeat, finally I’m back in the article list view.

Default theme, read focused:

Default theme, unread focused:

Lyse’s schlimmbesserung, read focused:

Lyse’s schlimmbesserung, unread focused:

@prologic@twtxt.net It works! Using it right now! Thank you!!!

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com I may be blocking that provider due to abuse from bots using VPN(s) – What was your last IP?

@david@daiwei.me I had to look these up, horror isn’t my genre at all. :-D No idea what the cool kids use today, but I still have zsh as my interactive shell. For shell scripts, though, I try to stick to POSIX and only resort to bash if really needed or it would be too cumbersome.

@david@daiwei.me Not sure if you only mean the code segments or in general. In theory, a general darker text color for read messages would probably work. The thing is that regular white on black is quite standard. In Newsboat, new articles are red (I opted for yellow here) and read ones white. I found that useful and kinda copied it for tt.

@prologic@twtxt.net @movq@www.uninformativ.de Same with tt, hash v2 has to be used right from the epoch onward. (And now replying to a message with a timestamp before the epoch still results in a v1 hash.)

@prologic@twtxt.net That’s more-or-less it. If I could do it without Codeberg (just using SCP, SSHFS, or something similar), that would be even better, but probably out-of-scope for the project.
My thinking behind how twtxt.app worked was that I could give it access to a repo, in order to add to my twtxt.txt, but that the alternative feed URL would then be presented to other users instead of the Codeberg URL; unless, of course, this is already part of the twtxt metadata.
In short, the feed URL would just be a dummy.

@prologic@twtxt.net No. After the cutoff-date, hashes are expected to be v2. End of story.

(In jenny, a twt can only ever have one thing that can be used for threading.)

@dce@hashnix.club So let me get this straight… You want to store your feed on a Codeberg repo right? But you want to clone that repo down somewhere else to serve it on a different location. Right? And you’d like to use the Twtxt App (https://twtxt.app) to front all of this? Right?

You may have noticed I am not as active as I used to be here. Old @bender@twtxt.net isn’t going anywhere, though! But… I am Hyde, and my Jekyll resides at @david@daiwei.me. Jekyll is having his turn more often now, so if you follow my pure, unrestrained evil, you may as well follow my dark desires, hypocrite counterpart. 😈🤣

Follow @david@daiwei.me, or I will bend you!

@david@daiwei.me Yes, but then I have to create and maintain an account I’ll never use 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net I was actually trying to use twtxt.app, with Codeberg as a backend, but I kept getting a 403 error. As for twtd, well, my twtxt is hosted on a pubnix. The people behind Hashnix are really nice, but I’d rather not bother them with software requests if there’s a simpler solution, and I imagine it would be rude of me to run a deamon from my homedir without permission. Could be worth asking, though, unless I decide to write a client myself.

@dce@hashnix.club which version of Twet are you using? I might see if I can get it updated for you.

@david@daiwei.me Those two twtxts were separate replies. However, I am currently using twet, which doesn’t support hash v2.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de The nice thing about properties is that you can compute and cache things on the fly at first attempt and also ensure validation for writing. But like you said, since it’s not obvious that reading or writing might do some more things, it’s strongly advised to avoid doing expensive stuff disguised as properties.

I reckon the vast majority of property use cases is to provide read-only access. At least that was my impression when I was doing a lot more in Python.

Personally, I think that this just reads a lot nicer:

oink.my_property
oink.my_property = 42

Than:

oink.get_my_property()
oink.set_my_property(42)

Btw, any field access is implemented using method calls. I might be wrong, but I believe there’s always __getattr__ and __setattr__ involved. 8-)

I’ve been coding again, and this time it might actually be useful to other people! https://codeberg.org/hellfire103/golden-retriever

I trip over this in our code at work all the time.

Python has this concept of “properties”:

class Oink:
    def __init__(self):
        self._foo = 3

    @property
    def my_property(self):
        return self._foo


a = Oink()
print(a.my_property)

my_property() is a method but it can be used as if it were a field.

This can also be used to define a setter:

class Oink:
    def __init__(self):
        self._foo = 3

    @property
    def my_property(self):
        return self._foo

    @my_property.setter
    def my_property(self, value):
        self._foo = 123 * value

Because, for some reason, Python people don’t like getters and setters. Instead, they hide it behind a property.

The result is, when you read this:

a.my_property = 5
print(a.my_property)

You have no idea that this actually calls a method.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de My grief with Java is that it’s sooo verbose. Sure, all the enterprise garbage makes it a hell lot more terrible, but even regular Java feels always so lengthy. And back in the days when I was using it daily, I missed so many convenient things in the stdlib after having experienced Python’s “batteries included”. Not sure if or how recent Java versions caught up.

@prologic@twtxt.net Not sure if this really counts as a draft mode or this is what you had in mind. I just was in the editor for ages and didn’t close it. tt provides an integrated preview for the rendered message in there. It automatically updates every second.

Here’s a screenshot of the compose view with the conversation context on the top to which to reply to, the editor in the middle and the almost-live preview at the bottom, I hope it’s big enough:

But it’s not like I hit the “Add message” button in the compose view (the one currently selected on the screenshot), see the message in the conversation tree and then come back into the compose view to continue editing. There’s no edit functionality in tt. Once the message is appended to my twtxt.txt file on disk, all I can do is edit it with vim. The U+2028 line breaks are really annoying to deal with (I’m sure I could do something about that if I spent the time), so I try to avoid that at all costs.

Once new messages have been added to my local file, I then manually upload the file to my server in a separate terminal. There’s no upload command integrated into tt. Right from my very first message in the beginning, I’ve always done it exactly like that. I’m used to this and it really doesn’t bother me. But I can see that others might not be fans of that at all. I might add an upload mechanism to tt at some point in the future.

I really think I should go back to Java.

Writing programs in Python is so exhausting. I want a compiler and I want static typing. No, linters and type checkers and IDEs are not good enough. Compilers catch way more errors in advance.

Rust is also exhausting. They’re constantly adding language features and, at the same time, the runtime library remains tiny and you need 3rd party libraries for everything. Many of those are still at version 0.x (SemVer!) and you can’t rely on anything. Often times, you need the latest Rust nightly compiler.

Go is … I don’t like it. And huge binaries.

I like C as a language, but it’s too fragile. I want to have a proper HashMap every now and then.

None of the above have good GUI libraries, at least not on Linux.

And then there’s Java. This is my fractal renderer that I wrote over 17 years ago:

https://movq.de/v/fcd3c4e557/vid-1784121825.mp4

It’s fast. It has a GUI with custom widgets and those weren’t even hard to make. It still works without changing a single line of code. The source code files have timestamps from 2009 and I just noticed that the JAR file I’m using in the video was compiled in 2010.

Java as a language is relatively easy to learn and to master. There are few surprises. The source code organization with packages is good. Java API docs are clear and well written.

The JVM ramp-up times have improved considerably:

https://movq.de/v/e7314e521e/vid-1784121998.mp4

This isn’t like the Dark Ages anymore. Might even be usable for some CLI tools.

The only thing where Java really sucks is anything close-ish to the kernel. Try issuing an ioctl() … I couldn’t have made my TUI framework in Java, but then again, I wouldn’t have needed to because Swing already exists and it just works.

@david@daiwei.me That’s a good thing. I still use it heavily, but I also realize that it is addictive. This whole idea of getting likes and boosts is horrible. Seeing “number goes up” is inherently addictive design, if you ask me. This should never have been added to a Free Platform like Mastodon, and I’m glad that twtxt doesn’t have anything like it.

also, just to clarify, we built the hosted Service as the last lowest rung ladder for non-technical people. I fully expect most technical people will spin up their own publishing backend or use Github or similar so that long-term the ecosystem still remains very much decentralized.

@david@daiwei.me You mean, you mean… like mowing down a whole rain forest in a thunderstorm’s brutal heat? :-?

Show us today’s rain. :-)

@david@collantes.us heads up 👋 that verification code never reached you — outbound email was broken on my end (my mail relay was rejecting twtxt.net senders 🤦‍♂️). Fixed + deployed now 🥳 give the hosted feed another go, it’ll land this time 🤞

@prologic@twtxt.net You also have to tell us the username!